No manhole, it’s becoming clear you have never been in a relationship and you are possibly a virgin. All men, whether they are single or in a relationship look at other women and look at porn. Whether the porn is hardcore or simply bikini models, all men look at other women’s bodies aside from the woman they may be involved with because men cannot be sexually monogamous. Porn will never disappear because of this reason and this reason alone. Porn has nothing to do with men not being sexually satisfied by a mate, what it does have something to do with is sexual gluttony.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

The reason women don’t act as competent as men is not because they aren’t, but because they are not as confident. They do not believe in their competence because 99% of men act towards them as if they don’t expect them to be competent (Dick’s Master Class is on exactly this).

Treating women in this manner undermines their confidence in their abilities, which makes her step back and let men take the lead. This begins at a very young age for young girls. Educators know it, which is why they now work very hard not to undermine little girls sense of what they can achieve.

Any woman who doesn’t buy into an undermined position by a man is forced into an aggressive position automatically in order to get her opinion heard and taken seriously. She of course is then labeled a bitch feminist. Which is simply a shaming strategy, again designed to get her to shut up so a man appears more competent than her.

Men who win through bullying and undermining only prove they are competent manipulators of reality, nothing more.

Michael said:

OMG. I just can’t get over how stupid you are. You are suggesting that if women satisfied men sexually by having sex with them that pornography would disappear! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I guess this explains why men in relationships NEVER look at porn and don’t have porno collections. Yeah, you know, those men that don’t fucking exist.

Your the idiot. If a man is getting nicely-fucked often he is far less likely to look at porn. If he is single and not getting sex then he is more susceptable to porn. Fine, fool your self into thinking then women have nothing to do with the pornography problem and its all mens fault, you brain-washed retard. Yea, you’ll get dates, repeating what women want to hear, but you will never face the truth, and you will be used by women as you deserve to be.

Michael said:

I hardly watch TV but when I do, I can assure you that women are portrayed as nothing more than sexist objects or stupid far more than men are portrayed as idiots, this especially obvious in advertisements.

Seeing as we may be in different continents, why don’t you give us at least five examples of media images (Television or advertisements) in which men are portrayed as idiots.

I’ll make this fair and give you one top rating TV shows (US) in which women are portrayed as idiots and bimbos. I’d give you more but as I said, I don’t watch much TV.

1. Desperate Housewives.

I watch practically no TV. One of the things I do with my time, fuck-tard, is read literature to provide me with information so that I can form my own opinions. The Nathanson and Young book (I believe its one in a series) is extremely well-documented and is thought by at least one additional author (eg Bernard Chapin) to be the best description of the the misandrous bent of the media. I don’t think any list that you and I can form can compare in veracity to well-documented literature, dip-shit. Duh!

In my opinion, you are two brain-washed by the political correct media message that women are emotionally superior beings. I believe that men and women should be treated as equals because, for the most part, they are equals, with some differences in strengths/abilities here and there. However, I believe that radical feminism has tried to devalue men in society by brain-washing the denizens of our culure to think that women are emotionally and intellectually superior beings. For this reason, our culture seeks to feminize mens needs or completely ignore them.

OMG. I just can’t get over how stupid you are. You are suggesting that if women satisfied men sexually by having sex with them that pornography would disappear! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I guess this explains why men in relationships NEVER look at porn and don’t have porno collections. Yeah, you know, those men that don’t fucking exist.

Men’s sexual needs can never be satisfied. They are permanently desirous of women. You yourself said it exists because of demand, so what are you suggesting? Blinding all men so they can’t fucking see?

If we address the problem and satisfy men’s sexual needs naturally then pornography would go away.

Fuck me you are an idiot. As fucking if.

I hardly watch TV but when I do, I can assure you that women are portrayed as nothing more than sexist objects or stupid far more than men are portrayed as idiots, this especially obvious in advertisements.

Seeing as we may be in different continents, why don’t you give us at least five examples of media images (Television or advertisements) in which men are portrayed as idiots.

I’ll make this fair and give you one top rating TV shows (US) in which women are portrayed as idiots and bimbos. I’d give you more but as I said, I don’t watch much TV.

1. Desperate Housewives.

Michael said:

I think it’s important, however, to address why poronography exists. I believe it is because the male sexual needs are not being satisfied in some basic fashion by females

No manhole, no offense, but you are a fucking idiot. Rest assured, men’s sexual needs today are being satisfied on a historical scale never before known to civilization. Pornography is mainstream. If you don’t believe that that mainstream porn equates to mens sexual needs being able to be satisfied at any time, then I can’t fucking imagine what your opinion on the Victorian age would be.

Pornography exists because men have more power than women. Period.

I would say that a man satisfying his needs through pornography, ass-wipe, is not the optimal way of getting this done. Of course men would like to have women in their lives to have this done. Pornography is enough for many men to continue through life but in the end it does not make them as truely happy as a great sexual relationship with a women would.

Pornography exists because it fills a demand, moron. It would not exist if that were not the case. Why is this demand there? Because men’s needs are not being satisfied. If we address the problem and satisfy men’s sexual needs naturally then pornography would go away. It will NEVER disappear if this is not done. My guess is even Islamic societies which are predisposed against porn more than anglo societies have a greater need for it.

I suggest you keep posting. You’ll only make a fool of yourself and revitalize the thinking and efforts here.

*The rest of your post is some kind of self-aggrandizing drivel which is not worth addressing.*

You mean, those observations unsettle you.

Hardly, your observations are based on nothing more than very selective reading, which has a very biased interpretation of causative factors which do not take entire context into account.

Seeing as you forget, I’ll quote your self-aggrandizing drivel for you.

Little wonder we Jews are leading the way in challenging the feminist pseudo-consensus, which even many western women increasingly revile.

Michael said:

Spreading Misandry” that documents multitudes of instances of males appearing as idiots thanks to the media.

Many men are idiots. You seem to be suggesting that because not all men act like idiots all the time, they shouldn’t be portrayed in any negative fashion whatsoever in the media. Should the media do nothing but portray men as good and intelligent? That wouldn’t really be representative of reality though, would it. Meh. I shouldn’t really be bothering. You’re all convinced men are some kind of supernatural fucking beings without flaws. No doubt you do think men should only ever be portrayed positively because man simply cannot do wrong in your opinion. I don’t know what drugs you people are popping but you either need to get off them or share them around.

I think you would have to agree with me, dip-shit, that there are an equal number of men and women idiots in the world (although most on this site would say there are far more women). What the book suggests that there is a huge disproportionate emphasis of men being portrayed as idiots in the media over women, far more than what happens in real life. You are uninformed, as lost.

I think it’s important, however, to address why poronography exists. I believe it is because the male sexual needs are not being satisfied in some basic fashion by females

No manhole, no offense, but you are a fucking idiot. Rest assured, men’s sexual needs today are being satisfied on a historical scale never before known to civilization. Pornography is mainstream. If you don’t believe that that mainstream porn equates to mens sexual needs being able to be satisfied at any time, then I can’t fucking imagine what your opinion on the Victorian age would be.

Pornography exists because men have more power than women. Period.

Spreading Misandry” that documents multitudes of instances of males appearing as idiots thanks to the media.

Many men are idiots. You seem to be suggesting that because not all men act like idiots all the time, they shouldn’t be portrayed in any negative fashion whatsoever in the media. Should the media do nothing but portray men as good and intelligent? That wouldn’t really be representative of reality though, would it. Meh. I shouldn’t really be bothering. You’re all convinced men are some kind of supernatural fucking beings without flaws. No doubt you do think men should only ever be portrayed positively because man simply cannot do wrong in your opinion. I don’t know what drugs you people are popping but you either need to get off them or share them around.

@Micheal- I would like try to add a bit of information to you about misandrous media (hopefully Muzalon won’t mind). There is a book by Nathanson and Young called “Spreading Misandry” that documents multitudes of instances of males appearing as idiots thanks to the media. You can get a feel for what the book is like as it is described in Amazon reviews:

http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/dicks-voicemail-7/#comment-236554

Also, I can understand why pornography is seen to lead in some fashion to the oppression of women. I think it’s important, however, to address why poronography exists. I believe it is because the male sexual needs are not being satisfied in some basic fashion by females (opined by Thomas Ellis but probably by others as well). Another question to ask is pornography a danger to society, for example Catherine MacKinnon and Andrea Dworkin predicted with the advent of the internet that widespread pornography would lead to a dramatic increase of rape and other sex-based crimes. In fact, that hasn’t happened, and I think the reason is that pornography is the great male pacifier, as Naomi Wolf opinied in this article:

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/

no manhole said:

@Muzalon- you are really becoming an expert on the literature–maybe you should set up your own web site? Write a book? I implore you to harness and disseminate this great talent/energy for the greater man-good. Maybe you get start a mass cultural awakening and I can rescind my sex-bot order. :)

I am just rounding up my book now. It is indeed a revolution in Men’s Studies.

Michael said:

Suzie, he’d have to be an idiot to want to turn into a woman and lose his privileges.

far more funding is spent on women’s healthcare in countries with public healthcare systems,

Could this have anything to do with the fact that women’s reproductive systems mean they have far more complex and expensive health care requirements? Remind me, which sex gives birth again? It’s feasible that a man could go his entire life without entering a hospital system. That is hardly feasible for women, considering the majority do give birth, usually necessitating a hospital stay, not to mention gyno/obstretic checks.

although men make the primary economic contribution to those systems.

Stats? Facts? Regardless of your inability to provide any evidence, perhaps the fact that men earn more has something to do with more of their tax being spent on healthcare for women.

The media is also opposed to men (Nathanson and Young)

Incomplete citation. Year of publication? Peer reviewed? Critique? All you have done here is make a largely unqualified blanket statement. In what way is the media opposed to men? Surely you aren’t suggesting that pornography (the world’s largest media) oppresses and exploits men rather than women?

as are the courts (Farrell)

The courts have a mandate that decisions are predicated on the best interests of the child. Read that again perhaps, because it isn’t “in the best interests of the woman”, it’s “the best interests of the child.”
If it just so happens that the woman is usually the primary caretaker of a child and it would be in the child’s best interests not to be separated from their primary caretaker, then you can hardly blame that on the woman, unless she and the father fought over who was going to take on the role of primary carer prior to the child’s birth. Any bias towards woman in child custody determinations are therefore only consequences, not fundamental.

and general social support systems (90% of the western homeless are male, at least).

Got any stats on that because I see plenty of homeless women on the streets, living less than a minute from a homeless shelter, I can assure you that there is no gender discrimination in homelessness. It’s looking pretty equivalent from what I see daily. I think the point you are trying to make (badly) is that there are more accommodation services for homeless women than there are for men. To that I say, most men without a regular fixed address end up in prison, where they certainly aren’t on the streets. Most women in the same situation have children and are thus given accommodation in family crisis centres. If these women didn’t have children, then there would significantly less options for them. Again, it doesn’t come down to their gender, it comes down to whether they are the ones with dependents in their care.

US males are required to register for the Draft

In what way does this make men better than women? In what way should women be blamed for this? Do men in power enforce this ruling or do women in power enforce it? What would you like women to do about it?

Women, on the other hand, certainly white middle class post-feminists, have acquired plenty of rights with no obligations.

Hmmm, I certainly wasn’t aware that white middle class women were exempt from paying tax or abiding by the law like anything other citizen. Wow. You must live in a woman’s Utopia.

Women don’t enjoy many privileges when it comes to divorce either Muzalon. Studies have shown that the only women who benefit from divorce are those married to wealthy men, which according to your very stats would be 1% of all women. The majority of women fair 73% less well off after divorce, while men fair 30% less well off. Do some unbiased reading once in a while and maybe you’d learn a factoid or two.

The rest of your post is some kind of self-aggrandizing drivel which is not worth addressing.

This has really rattled your liberal, Anglo cage, hasn’t it? I seen no credible, dated or critiqued citations for any of the claims YOU make: your response seems to be anecdotes and completely unsubstantiated assertions. It’s all just begging the questions. For example, homeless men end up in prison: well, of course they will, if the provision for homeless men is desultory, and they have no other way of surviving but resorting to crime! Anyone with two brain-cells to rub together can see the flaws in your logic.

Another amusing bone of contention is the role of childbirth in inflating the amounts spent on women’s healthcare in countries with public healthcare systems. But in fact, feminist lobbyists are past masters at gulling Anglo-Saxon suckers like you. Take anorexia: gender feminists like Dworkin presented any vast figure that flitted into their heads to exaggerate the number of deaths from anorexia in the United States (Dworkin’s figure was ‘a million’). A (relatively) serious researcher, Christina Hoff Summers, found the real figure to be…uh, 100 (almost all white, upper middle class WASPs) using official US health statistics. Her research is presented in Who Stole Feminism? (1994) - a right riveting read. I myself am conducting research into the funding inequalities between suicide (a male issue) and anorexia (a female issue). In European counties, around 500 times more funds are allocated towards the prevention of anorexia than suicide, hardly evidence of an unbiased distribution of resources.

The Draft for males is a spiky one: it is not the result of a conscious agenda, more the product of legislation not being upgraded to match changing social circumstances. I don’t think women should be drafted for front line duties, as they are not ‘up to it’; they should be drafted for support duties, however, for example hospital work. I personally believe both sexes would benefit from a years’ National Service in the forces, even in peacetime, to give them a sense of responsibility and social participation. Many Anglo-American elite youths feel free to take from societal institutions, but give nothing back: this needs to change.

*The rest of your post is some kind of self-aggrandizing drivel which is not worth addressing.*

You mean, those observations unsettle you. Admittedly, as a white middle class male I enjoy certain advantages, but not in all spheres; nor are all males so advantaged. The issues are complex.

@Muzalon- you are really becoming an expert on the literature–maybe you should set up your own web site? Write a book? I implore you to harness and disseminate this great talent/energy for the greater man-good. Maybe you get start a mass cultural awakening and I can rescind my sex-bot order. :)

Suzie, he’d have to be an idiot to want to turn into a woman and lose his privileges.

far more funding is spent on women’s healthcare in countries with public healthcare systems,

Could this have anything to do with the fact that women’s reproductive systems mean they have far more complex and expensive health care requirements? Remind me, which sex gives birth again? It’s feasible that a man could go his entire life without entering a hospital system. That is hardly feasible for women, considering the majority do give birth, usually necessitating a hospital stay, not to mention gyno/obstretic checks.

although men make the primary economic contribution to those systems.

Stats? Facts? Regardless of your inability to provide any evidence, perhaps the fact that men earn more has something to do with more of their tax being spent on healthcare for women.

The media is also opposed to men (Nathanson and Young)

Incomplete citation. Year of publication? Peer reviewed? Critique? All you have done here is make a largely unqualified blanket statement. In what way is the media opposed to men? Surely you aren’t suggesting that pornography (the world’s largest media) oppresses and exploits men rather than women?

as are the courts (Farrell)

The courts have a mandate that decisions are predicated on the best interests of the child. Read that again perhaps, because it isn’t “in the best interests of the woman”, it’s “the best interests of the child.”
If it just so happens that the woman is usually the primary caretaker of a child and it would be in the child’s best interests not to be separated from their primary caretaker, then you can hardly blame that on the woman, unless she and the father fought over who was going to take on the role of primary carer prior to the child’s birth. Any bias towards woman in child custody determinations are therefore only consequences, not fundamental.

and general social support systems (90% of the western homeless are male, at least).

Got any stats on that because I see plenty of homeless women on the streets, living less than a minute from a homeless shelter, I can assure you that there is no gender discrimination in homelessness. It’s looking pretty equivalent from what I see daily. I think the point you are trying to make (badly) is that there are more accommodation services for homeless women than there are for men. To that I say, most men without a regular fixed address end up in prison, where they certainly aren’t on the streets. Most women in the same situation have children and are thus given accommodation in family crisis centres. If these women didn’t have children, then there would significantly less options for them. Again, it doesn’t come down to their gender, it comes down to whether they are the ones with dependents in their care.

US males are required to register for the Draft

In what way does this make men better than women? In what way should women be blamed for this? Do men in power enforce this ruling or do women in power enforce it? What would you like women to do about it?

Women, on the other hand, certainly white middle class post-feminists, have acquired plenty of rights with no obligations.

Hmmm, I certainly wasn’t aware that white middle class women were exempt from paying tax or abiding by the law like anything other citizen. Wow. You must live in a woman’s Utopia.

Women don’t enjoy many privileges when it comes to divorce either Muzalon. Studies have shown that the only women who benefit from divorce are those married to wealthy men, which according to your very stats would be 1% of all women. The majority of women fair 73% less well off after divorce, while men fair 30% less well off. Do some unbiased reading once in a while and maybe you’d learn a factoid or two.

The rest of your post is some kind of self-aggrandizing drivel which is not worth addressing.

Muzalon have you decided what gender you are yet as you seem to contradict yourself alot or are still undecided as too which way to go ?

Michael said:

So you’re saying that men do enjoy privileges over women for the main part, but it’s only when they experience losses that they lose privilege? Geez, funny how that works, experiencing a loss and then losing privileges…hmmm

The point, which I thank you for helping to prove, is that men do enjoy a privileged position in society over women and this position is the norm.

Any man that says otherwise is simply a whiner with a chip on his shoulder who revels in bullshit victim status.

Men indeed enjoy privileged standing for the most part, certainly on a global basis. For example, a man’s testimony is worth more in Islamic law. This ‘Masculine Personal Sovereignty’ applies in Western societies, albeit to a much lesser extent, and only in some areas (principally pay), not all (or even most), and to men who are socially unrepresentative (Power Elites, not blacks, the poor, or the middle class - about 1% of males, if that). In other areas, women are privileged. For example, far more funding is spent on women’s healthcare in countries with public healthcare systems, although men make the primary economic contribution to those systems. The media is also opposed to men (Nathanson and Young), as are the courts (Farrell) and general social support systems (90% of the western homeless are male, at least). US males are required to register for the Draft, from which women remain exempt despite now enjoying responsible positions in law, politics and the media, showing that men retain the obligations of privilege, without enjoying exclusive privilege for the most part. Women, on the other hand, certainly white middle class post-feminists, have acquired plenty of rights with no obligations. These truths are just self-evident.

The issue of western Divorce that you fail to grasp is that men presently enjoy NO privileges in that area at all, so they do not ‘lose’ privilege by Divorce, they simply never enjoyed any in the post-feminist era. This has resulted in the vaunted Marriage Strike, where males refuse to marry rather than risk permanent economic losses.

So clearly, your Anglo-fag ramblings have proven little, except the fact you need to engage in serious study of men’s issues. Anglo-Saxon liberals like you have been taught to set women on pedestals unthinkingly: this is a function of the Puritanism underpinning the ailing Anglo-American world culture, which accords women intrinsic status because sex is an elusive commodity in a repressive, puritanical culture. Little wonder we Jews are leading the way in challenging the feminist pseudo-consensus, which even many western women increasingly revile.