NOOOOOOOO….Who is going to be my partner in crime…in cereal killing! ;)

To sweeten the deal even further, I promise to never post again if both you and Studioline join the forums, except if Commander Scott of some other pseudo-intellectual posts. Best of luck to both of you.

@Studioline- I will not be part of the group. I am too busy and too contraversial (which means I piss too many people off). Good luck.

Ok, let’s see what Arbalest has to say about it.
And let’s see what other men have to say about it too.

In the mean time I wannna share something;

Recently I watched a documentary about rastamen. How does it relate to a group idea? It does. There is a group of Jamaican men living on the beach in Negril. Women come there from around the world and pay these men 150 usd, to suck on their dicks - same women which return home after 2 weeks of vacations and they say to you guys that they would never suck a men’s dick and they demand a respect, but tha’t not that much impotant, what they say. Important is that these men exist because they have a group. They have a certain ideology of that group. If you listen to them, you would think they don’t make any sense whatsoever, the nonsense they are saying about rasta philosophy is pure nonsense. The point is even if you don’t make any sense but you have a group behind you it still works. Now imagine that there is a group which want literally save women’s souls, lives, asses, orgasms and so on, and them women actually are waiting for this to happen but because they are women, they only know how to screw things up, that’s why they can not save thamselves, and they desperately need men as a group to do this for them. Now my second point is - wtf are you guys still waiting for????? This is amazing for me altrough I fully understand why, just I can’t accept it.

Can’t you just fucking type on your computer keyboard “Im into that group too” and then press submit comment? I won’t be waiting for you forever.

Like I told before and as you know, I didn’t come to this site with an intention at all to form a group or be a leader. I was takling about a group, just becasue it is so obvious idea to me….. and I thaught it is obvious idea to you guys. Just by doing it you guys would achieve anything you wanted, just by sticking to the idea and the plan. Maybe now afer I first lost hope and now I see one healthy man, who can see it I shoud consider a group idea again.

When I lost hope that a group can exist I had to think why it is so strange idea for men? And then I recalled a story with Jusus. Fuck!. Men always had problems with making a group. As soon as you have a leader who wants to save your soul, you gonna hate him, betray him, and watch him die, just because you can’t stand an idea that someone wants good for you and so, has to “lead” you there. Now I see why God makes you suffer - to wake up and see the group idea.

Before I make any decisions I want first to see if there are other men who can believe. Look for ex even at “Star Wars”, there is a grup idea shown. There is no idea of “every man for himself” and even Darth Vader finally comes to this conclusion… It is so obvious that nothing can be more obvious. But if you/us don’t make a group, you won’t blame any god or women, you will only at the end have to blame yourself.

studioline said:

in responce

why women always win even if they don’t make any sense? because they have a group

why men always lose? because they are “every man for himself”

as long as it stays that way, you guys will aways get fucked big time.

I agree. Form a group, Studioline. Its your destiny.

why women always win even if they don’t make any sense? because they have a group

why men always lose? because they are “every man for himself”

as long as it stays that way, you guys will aways get fucked big time.

So if we “go our own way”, do we end up fucking over our children and grandchildren (the few that we have) that believe in western civ, as they will be controlled under totalitarian non-enlightenment (ie fundamentalist muslim) governments? What it comes down to may be this: Do our present attitudes (feminist for women, abandonment of western women for men) lead to future generations suffering under theocracies?

I’m not saying that men should marry shrews. But I think some kind of awareness needs to occur in women that their attitudes made leave to the collapse of western civ as I believe some pundits (Pat Buchanan comes to mind) have predicted. But it seems that except for the few women that appear to have gotten a view good shots of fetal testosterone that this logic (if what I said could be considered that) would not move them.

There has never been a time in the last 40 years without a lot of groups.

Most men will not do anything. They will go to group meetings, but the minute group leader(s) start to achieve anything, those who aren’t willing to do anything attack; attack; attack. Until the group is destroyed then the destroyers wander off, pontificating, “I knew they weren’t going to achieve anything.”

Debating with women also accomplishes nothing. We have been debating with women for over 40 years. You can have the perfect logic, so perfect a woman will admit you are right, but the next two words out of her mouth after she realizes you are correct, are, “Yes, but…” and continues her defective logic because she simply does not care if you are right, she wants her own way.

The so-called marriage strike is working to some extent. Also, the MGTOW concept, which is really a way of life.

Not every man need avoid marriage to change things. In the early 70’s there was a major gasoline shortage. No gas? Not so. There was a very small shortage. Ditto for a marriage strike. Many men can marry each year, as long as their is shortage compared to the demand to marry by women.

Marriage strike and MGTOW work because there is no leader for every man and woman in town to attack; attack; attack. It is literally every man for himself.

So, what does marriage strike mean? That is up to you; don’t let any firebrand speaker tell you what to do. If to you, it means love ‘em, and leave ‘em, well, you decide what risks to take, and you pay the price and reap the benefits. IF it means take sex vacations once a year to foreign countries, that is your decision. If it means expat to a man friendly nation, so be it.

In fact, that is also what MGTOW means. Don’t be a follower. Don’t let your mommy tell you what to do, nor another man. Do what feels right. Sure, you can learn from others, but always make up your own mind based on your unique wants; needs; feelings; and so forth. Don’t get married unless you well understand the high probabilities for disaster.

Keb said:

CallMeCowgirl Says:I don’t know if they’re pissed off that I agree with you guys, or feel like I’m betraying my “own kind”

They hate to hear the truth, which causes them to go into attack mode. They are the “self hating bitches”. They know it and hate to admit it.

words of truth

They hate to hear the truth, which causes them to go into attack mode. They are the “self hating bitches”. They know it and hate to admit it.

I feel you

Not when you show them a competence about men, providing that you first learn and become competent.

studioline said:

Great, then;)

So start with supporting me with explaing this to girls who are confuzed writeing posts on this site. Ill lead you through. You are a woman they will trust you more. Then you will get some practice how to talk to women about this when you talk to them in the reality. You will be like a Guru to them;) You are now more advanced than they would ever be if no one would break the news to them. If you won’t be too sure what to do or wtire to them, write on me a message first under this thread. Ok?

p.s. watch only the original matrix movie cos part 2 and 3 are not that valuable

I don’t think I’d get much farther than any of the men here have at trying to explain things to some of these women. They’re on attack mode it seems. Some of them seem to be watching every post I make just so they can pick it apart and attempt to bring me down. I don’t know if they’re pissed off that I agree with you guys, or feel like I’m betraying my “own kind” but I have no idea how I could possibly talk any sense into them without being called a “self hating bitch”

I think some guys think of me I wanna be some kind of a leader. lol. When I first came to this site I thought I will write just few posts, write to you all there is to it cos it’s really not that much, and maybe practice some english skills;)

And I would hate if you guys resented my ideas just for the reason that preasumably I want to be a smart ass or some kind of a leader. Can you imagine a leader who is living not in the US and english is his second languague? lol.

I just happen to know the ansewrs to all your problems out there and all I want to just help you out guys out there. That’s the whole mistery solved. I have been there myself, where you are at, believe me. As much as I wish I did a site myself I can’t right now.

I dont want a group to be my group. I just have all the steaps that need to be taken in my mind and Im giving them to you and one element which is necessary is a group. You guys need to create a group. Either now or later under this site or a different one. But you can’t just sit there and hope for a change, ior to postpone it, cos no one will do it for you. That’s why Im struggling so much to unite you under a group. The group can do different things like maybe support Dick M. I dont know what his plans are. But the best way to find this out is to ask him. How you do it? Well first of all you have to declare a group. Then present that group to him that it exists and then he will respond and then you will know. All it takes is just a vote. Women are good to if they qualify, it makes the group more credible in case of presenting it to some public circle. There seems to be already one as you can see. I asked a woman and ironically she said cool count me in. Now Im asking you guys. Are you voting yes?

I feel you man

Ok first. I really hate telling you that this part of your equation is not correct. I hate to say it because you are clearly an inteligent men who I like. But I have to adress it somehow and being direct is the best way.

Ok you say it’s a problem with Anglo-American, women as a part of your culture. Coincidently you give a name of japanese like sounding last name. Is it really any different in Japan for ex, for that matter? How many dominatrixes are runnig across Japan? You would be suprized, how bitchy thay are to japanese men.

Your women, American ones are the easiest to wake them up. I don’t say and never said “chnge or convince” them, it’s a wrong term. Also for ex every women will tell you it’s impossible to change or convince them.

Ill make my point short. They are already convinced. You men are just assumint they are not, so they act the way you expect them to. Call it mental trick, call it the way woman’s mind works, I don’t care how you explain it to yourself. But you guys must take this part down right in your mind. Otherwise day afer day wou will be doing inteligent mental circles. We already talked about this as I recall even under the same thread of Voicemail #8. Let’s say it again - outloud: The door is alredy open!

Muzalon said:

I think there is a problem with Anglo-American culture: these issues are just part of it. Google Fukuyama’s ‘The Great Disruption’.

Looks good, thanks.

Also, I think you should consider that people are on this site for different reasons. Some guys are here to learn. Some guys are here to slam women because this site gives them a chance, as you really cant do this in regular life. I feel that not all guys are here to follow a leader. But if I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.

Also keep in mind that I think Dick Masterson’s major goal is to sell a book. Although he has provided us with a forum to speak, he maybe doing this mostly for advertisement of his book and other synthesis of his.

I would like to suggest that you talk directly with Dick about setting up some kind of site on your own, much like “Victorian Lady’ did with Lady Lessons, a site associated with MABTW:

http://ladylessons.mabtw.com/