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Does any guy notice that almost every argument/debate with a feminist spirals into rape? Sophia is no exception to that rule. It seems hooking they think they will win when they hook onto something as emotional and sensitive as rape… Get over yourself. Feminism is not about redressing rape - it is about fucking the courts over in favour of women.

U r so immature. U should be ashamed of yourselfs (sry, i waz never good at spelling!)

Sophia said:

MansVoice said:

I wonder how Sophie jumped from “rape” to “pedophile”?

Direct qoute from site about sexual abusers:

“Majority of sex offenders are men, typically in their late 20’s/early 30’s and lead average lifestyles.”

http://www.smith-lawfirm.com/Connsacs_Myth_Quiz.htm

Of course that has nothing to do with the fact that the justice system never even bothered looking for female offenders until recently…
And now guess what. They’re finding them all over the place. Still not taken seriously very and get treated with the proverbial slap on the wrist, of course… which only goes to prove the point further. It’s called selection bias.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48210

I believe that the things you have to say are hilarious. You are very capable to making an opinion of yours know, back up with facts then twist it into a comedic point of view. I give you props for that. I have read many things that you have said, and honestly I don’t believe you mean half of it. You’re intelligent to the point that you are very capable to speak your voice, have people follow you and then make money on top of that; again props to you. But like I said I do not believe you mean fully to the extent that you’re trying to make others believe. I don’t believe your such shallow views on women are written in stone. Since the beginning of time, men complain about women and of course women complain about men; in all different situations its sometimes the men’s fault and then again the woman’s. It’s never always one sex or the others fault. Correct me if I am wrong but you seem as if you are just the type of guy that is sick of the average, plastic, fake and money needy women. I see you as a person that would have no problem with a successful, loving and sweet women. And when or if you ever do I see you as a type of person that would love her and treat her very kindly, leaving behind your strong judgment of women. Just a thought.

sonyad said:

Sophia said:

We seemed to have lost it somewhere a long time ago.

We lost it when we stopped sequestering women pregnant, barefoot in the kitchen.

It all went to bloody hell shortly after that.

- Laura Kidd - Automatic (Martijn Ten Velden Remix)

My friend says nothing’s been the same since Elvis….

Sophia said:

We seemed to have lost it somewhere a long time ago.

We lost it when we stopped sequestering women pregnant, barefoot in the kitchen.

It all went to bloody hell shortly after that.

- Laura Kidd - Automatic (Martijn Ten Velden Remix)

Zardoz said:

[correction to the above posting.]
I live in Australia, and the laws here regarding such things are such that unlike in the USA, where a person’s right to face their accuser in court is assured by your constitution, here it is now now being denied in such trials.

Zardoz,

I saw an interesting 20/20 special a few weeks ago. In this story, a beautiful teenage boy in DuBai was taken to the dessert by what he thought were good samaratins helping him and his friend out after car failure. There, they beat and raped him over and over. They could not kill him because the car was stuck in the sand so they had to call in for help. They dumped the boy at a hotel, beaten and raped within an inch of his life.

The mother pressured the police to find the killers (on a side note, can you BELIEVE this poor boy might ACTUALLY face conviction for homosexual behavior according to the law there??).

When they finally got to court, the boy had to testify in court WITH the accusers. When he saw them staring at him, he said he almost recanted. Why? Because he said they gave him this terrible look, as if to say “if you tell them, we will come. We will come and kill your entire family.” He believed this but faced his fears and told anyway. In the interview, tears streamed as he recounted this and his mother stroked his hair as she honestly voiced on air what all mothers would be thinking, “Don’t worry about us. They will pay.”

This is why our legal system does this. Most rapists here know the victims. They are friends or family members. So, victims can easily, and have easily been intimidated into recanting. We see a lot of rape stories here. Young girls sodomized in elevators of project apartments, girls dragged up to the roof top of their apartment building, women jogging, women going to work. It is terrible and they don’t want to relive it. Some want nothing more than to face them, (saw one do so on a Dateline episode) some want nothing more than to forget. Rape kits can help for DNA evidence. But in cases where it’s friend or family, it is a lot harder to face them.

Zardoz said:

My reference to rape laws was in regard to adult women, specifically, cases of date rape. I live in Australia, and the laws here regarding such things are such that unlike in the USA, where a person’s right to face their accuser in court is now being denied in such trials. The world is full of crime, and hsotility, and evil people of both genders, men just have higher numbers in this aspect owing to the fact they’re more capable of getting away with it, and/or their woman co-offender gives evidence on her bf to escape facing the same justice. This of course depends on the severity of the violent crime, and the amount of evidence readily available to the police building their case. I wasn’t referring to kiddie-fuckers, and I would be highly surprised if you were able to say you did not get support from the men of your society in fighting against. They’re the single most despised criminal type on the face of the planet, and enough evidence would have most men ready to say “fuck the courts” and exact they’re own justice lynch-mob style. It troubles me slightly that you think only of that in regard to rape though, I hope its owing to the fact of your experience with such cases.
My point was that picking up a lass at a pub is effectively rape nowadays unless she’s been drinking coffee all night. Women ought to be responsible for their decisions, whether they’re good or bad, regardless of whether she’s been drinking and thus fallen prone to poor judgement or loosened her inhibitions.
As for the state of poverty and lack of control in our societies today, again I point back to when traditional family units had traditional values and both mother and father worked together to protect and educate their children in how to behave as decent human beings. Bad things happened back then too, I do not dispute that. But have a good look at the per capita percentages and tell me wasn’t truly a golden era, rather the ‘dark ages” we’re told it to be. The family unit is paramount to human society, and its being, generation by generation, utterly fragmented and destroyed.

Z,
As you stated, I believe you are 100% correct in that our respective views on these issues are heavily tainted by personal experiences. You said “rape” and I responded “pedophiles.” I said “rape” and you said “girls who cry wolf.”

Australia is a world I have never experienced so I don’t know what the laws or societal mores are there (by the way, it makes me very happy to hear how appalled you are by the thought of pedophilia as well. Shocked as you may be, I have actually heard a few guys DEFEND it…ugh…) If this is the way of the pubs, I would say, don’t go. Besides, I’m sure your mother told you you won’t exactly find the best quality people at a pub. I went out with a guy I met at a bar once only to have it blow up in my face big time. He lied, cheated, slept around, etc, the obvious cliche. And I asked myself, should I really be surprised? Sheesh, I met him at a bar. And we all know what people go to bars for. But I can’t change bar ethics. it’s been like this since their have been bars. People sleep around, girls regret and accuse the beer (though I did meet one case of a girl actually being drugged without her knowledge), people come to forget or soothe their egos and do things they grow to regret.

So, I learned, if you don’t want your arm blown off, stay away from land mines, know what I mean?

Our society right now is in that weird state of pendulum where I feel we are beginning to swing back to moderatism. In the ’20’s we had the flapper movement that shocked the country. Sex, drugs and Jazz. Women wore shorter skirts, cut off their hair, demanded more of a place. Conservatism in the 50’s was followed in the 60’s again by Sex, Drugs and Rock’n'Roll. It’s always the same cycle till we finally find the perfect balance. We seemed to have lost it somewhere a long time ago.

Some women are choosing to stay home. This is what the feminism movement was really about. Choice! Some feel the need to express themselves outside the house and some want hearth. I know several guys who would love nothing more for hearth and HATE corporate life. A woman to support them! Their dream! Every man is different and a woman who needs to express herself out the house is a perfect match for such a man. And every woman appreciates a loving pair or arms to come home to after a long day….

We need a balance, you are right. But I don’t think it’s necessarily the Man-out, Woman-in stringent formula stressed here. Some men just absolutely hate it. Balance, one way or another.

MansVoice said:

I wonder how Sophie jumped from “rape” to “pedophile”?

Simple,
In most cases, pedophiles RAPE the children. In a lot of states, if they can keep below the radar for 5 yrs, they are scott free. That is the statute in some states.

“Rape in the first degree.

(a) A person commits the crime of rape in the first degree if:

(1) He or she engages in sexual intercourse with a member of the opposite sex by forcible compulsion; or

(2) He or she engages in sexual intercourse with a member of the opposite sex who is incapable of consent by reason of being physically helpless or mentally incapacitated; or

(3) He or she, being 16 years or older, engages in sexual intercourse with a member of the opposite sex who is less than 12 years old.

(b) Rape in the first degree is a Class A felony.”

Direct qoute from site about sexual abusers:

“Majority of sex offenders are men, typically in their late 20’s/early 30’s and lead average lifestyles.”

http://www.smith-lawfirm.com/Connsacs_Myth_Quiz.htm

BJ,

After an interesting conversation with a male classmate, I am reminded again that the romantic plights of females are often the same as that of their male counterparts. What I am trying to say is that we all get our hearts broken. Everyone gets dumped, betrayed or lied to enough to discern better each time the quality of potential mates and enough to appreciate a really good lover. Present company NOT excluded. Why, even Marilyn Monroe got dumped by her first husband, Elvis was not very popular with the ladies growing up and Einstein’s only regret when he died was his inability to stay faithful. Love conquers all, from the mighty giants of old to the poorest of paupers. It is inescapable and that was the meat and bones of you I was trying to get at in the first place.

Your anger is not towards the apparent copiousness of bad women, so to speak, but your difficulty of finding the good ones (abundant, I assure you. I am sure your mother is one). I can only offer my insights as a person not in your shoes.

When I was in college, all the men and women in my circle were serious and studious, as you wold expect to find in courses dedicated to science. The guys were very intelligent but completely uninterested in socio-political issues, unless it related to medicine. Did it mean they were stupid because they could not engage me in middle-eastern politics? No. They would school both you and me in nano technology and bucky balls. Are we stupid for not engaging them in heated conversations about the various ways one can crystallize and titrate a particular compound? I dare say no.

My boy friend now would be bored to tears if I went on and on about the various String Theories and their implications (LOVE IT!). The same way I would be bored to tears if he went on and on about geography and sports. I love comedies, he hates them. He loves action movies, I could care less. However, we share the same sense of humor (I know…), same level of passion, and same moral fiber.
What I am saying is, ask yourself what you really need? If it’s someone who can go on and on with you about socio-economic conditions with the same ardor and passion as you have, a University is the place to be. Go to the source. Take a course or go to a seminar. The more expensive the course, the more dedicated the student, the higher quality a person.

When I worked at bars, I saw the dark underbelly of male society and went to a dark place again. When I no longer had to and went back to school to study arts, I met more sensitive and sweet men that erased the memory of what I thought was real before. And I stopped looking for the slime because if you look for it, you will find it. Always.

Instead, invest time in looking for quality, both in life and for yourself.

I had the fortunate and not so fortunate experience of being really burned when I was young. So when I grew and got burned, I learned more quickly and it hurt a lot less. But everyone gets burned. You just feel it more, because as you said, you are more emotional. Never loose that. That is a gift. The greatest artists where given this gift and those who come after can only come to admire this intangible quality. Never let life burnt it out. Let life enforce it.

One day, watch the process of making a samurai sword (on TV or youtube of course). The sword grows stronger with each time it is placed in the fire, beaten, and burned again. You can draw the analogy.

I wonder how Sophie jumped from “rape” to “pedophile”?

Ask yourself Sophie… How many men do you think have been falsely convicted of rape? The stats are as high as 40% from sources such as the FBI after using DNA testing.

I dont understand what is your issue with this site. Why do all women infringe upon this male-only domain and yet demand/expect … respect.. ? How ironic.

[correction to the above posting.]
I live in Australia, and the laws here regarding such things are such that unlike in the USA, where a person’s right to face their accuser in court is assured by your constitution, here it is now now being denied in such trials.

Sophia said:

Zardoz,

Firstly, let me comment that your piece was both thought provoking and compelling. I wish I could go into detail but I am squeezing this in to my day.

Regarding your stance on men and violence and the apparent illogical fear, where do you live? And I ask this question completely in an academic and curious manner. Not in a snide way. I grew up in a large city and violence perpetrated by men on single (as in walking or waiting alone) is very, very real. It is not completely sexual. Think with a criminal mind, for a moment if you will. You are a robber. Who will you hit up? The person who is waiting alone who is 5′11 and 175 pounds or the person who is 5′5 and 110 lbs? The easiest target, of course. And after one close call, you quickly learn to go with a companion where ever you can. Only the fool harty are brazen and foolish enough to think they are Bruce Lee (like I said, only takes one close encounter to learn.) If I ever have children, I would enroll them all in self defense classes, train them all in street smarts and encourage the brothers, who will enevitably one day grow larger than the sisters, to watch over them.

As for rape laws, I volunteered for child abuses case work (I can get you the website if you are interested) and to prosecute a pedophile is actually very, VERY difficult as the law stands now. And, unless you have ever been a victim yourself (God forbid) or know a victim (God forbid again) you will understand how much these laws need to be corrected. And yes, pedophiles run the gamit but the cases I dealt with were male abusers and to prove and fit what they did according to our legal system was highly in their favor and practically defended them while they more than likely abused others. The laws for rape differ from state to state so it is difficult to make a blanket statement. In doing my best to protect more victims, both male and female, hatred for men began to bubble and spew within. Until, however, I came across several men in my path who seemed to really be compassionate towards my cause, to be really disgusted by the perpetrators and who did their best to hep me out. I learned my ridiculous stereotyping would bite me in the face if I let it. Many good men stood by me against the very evil. But the stereotyping your speaking of is not entirely ridiculous, where I have lived. It is very real and would be dangereous even, to deny. Not all men, of course. But where I live, a man would never let a girl go home alone late at night. Because they know.

My reference to rape laws was in regard to adult women, specifically, cases of date rape. I live in Australia, and the laws here regarding such things are such that unlike in the USA, where a person’s right to face their accuser in court is now being denied in such trials. The world is full of crime, and hsotility, and evil people of both genders, men just have higher numbers in this aspect owing to the fact they’re more capable of getting away with it, and/or their woman co-offender gives evidence on her bf to escape facing the same justice. This of course depends on the severity of the violent crime, and the amount of evidence readily available to the police building their case. I wasn’t referring to kiddie-fuckers, and I would be highly surprised if you were able to say you did not get support from the men of your society in fighting against. They’re the single most despised criminal type on the face of the planet, and enough evidence would have most men ready to say “fuck the courts” and exact they’re own justice lynch-mob style. It troubles me slightly that you think only of that in regard to rape though, I hope its owing to the fact of your experience with such cases.
My point was that picking up a lass at a pub is effectively rape nowadays unless she’s been drinking coffee all night. Women ought to be responsible for their decisions, whether they’re good or bad, regardless of whether she’s been drinking and thus fallen prone to poor judgement or loosened her inhibitions.
As for the state of poverty and lack of control in our societies today, again I point back to when traditional family units had traditional values and both mother and father worked together to protect and educate their children in how to behave as decent human beings. Bad things happened back then too, I do not dispute that. But have a good look at the per capita percentages and tell me wasn’t truly a golden era, rather the ‘dark ages” we’re told it to be. The family unit is paramount to human society, and its being, generation by generation, utterly fragmented and destroyed.

Zardoz,

Firstly, let me comment that your piece was both thought provoking and compelling. I wish I could go into detail but I am squeezing this in to my day.

Regarding your stance on men and violence and the apparent illogical fear, where do you live? And I ask this question completely in an academic and curious manner. Not in a snide way. I grew up in a large city and violence perpetrated by men on single (as in walking or waiting alone) is very, very real. It is not completely sexual. Think with a criminal mind, for a moment if you will. You are a robber. Who will you hit up? The person who is waiting alone who is 5′11 and 175 pounds or the person who is 5′5 and 110 lbs? The easiest target, of course. And after one close call, you quickly learn to go with a companion where ever you can. Only the fool harty are brazen and foolish enough to think they are Bruce Lee (like I said, only takes one close encounter to learn.) If I ever have children, I would enroll them all in self defense classes, train them all in street smarts and encourage the brothers, who will enevitably one day grow larger than the sisters, to watch over them.

As for rape laws, I volunteered for child abuses case work (I can get you the website if you are interested) and to prosecute a pedophile is actually very, VERY difficult as the law stands now. And, unless you have ever been a victim yourself (God forbid) or know a victim (God forbid again) you will understand how much these laws need to be corrected. And yes, pedophiles run the gamit but the cases I dealt with were male abusers and to prove and fit what they did according to our legal system was highly in their favor and practically defended them while they more than likely abused others. The laws for rape differ from state to state so it is difficult to make a blanket statement. In doing my best to protect more victims, both male and female, hatred for men began to bubble and spew within. Until, however, I came across several men in my path who seemed to really be compassionate towards my cause, to be really disgusted by the perpetrators and who did their best to hep me out. I learned my ridiculous stereotyping would bite me in the face if I let it. Many good men stood by me against the very evil. But the stereotyping your speaking of is not entirely ridiculous, where I have lived. It is very real and would be dangereous even, to deny. Not all men, of course. But where I live, a man would never let a girl go home alone late at night. Because they know.

Zardoz said:

Sophia said:
I just want someone to really think here. To stop hiding behind stats or hunting and torturing stats to fit their needs. I am, I suppose, pathetically hoping someone may actually be brave enough to think for themselves and open up to new experiences.

Most of the men here really do think, for themselves, with open minds. Life experience and observation has paved the way for their opinions, which in itself says much for the troubles in our society. Torturing stats is exactly what we accuse feminists of having done in order to propagate their hatred of men and instigate the daemonisation of the male of the species. By far the greatest bias has been in favour of women’s movements, and no reasonable person can say what we have, or even that what society is headed for, is by any stretch of anyone’s imagination “equality”. Your correct in that girls should not have their minds filled with horrific generalisations which cuase them fear when they walk in the streets. Nobody should walk with fear, the fact such fear is largely based in total falsehood makes it even more sinister. But to what end has such fear been placed in women of our age? We have laws against violent behaviour, and as you’ll find if you read enough of the posts on this website, most men adore women, and as BrokenJohnny expresses, respect many aspects of womanhood which are sadly absent in much of modern society.
In Australia for example, the slogan of the time is “Violence against women is a crime” rather than “Violence is a crime”. So basically its ok to go punch a man’s face into putty, but yelling aggressively at your wife when she’s thrown a saucepan of spaghetti sauce at you is the same as splitting her head open with a fence paling while she’s asleep. Our rape laws are now virtually such that if you don’t have a written and signed consent form a man risks serious prison time, and the merest sniff of alcohol on a woman’s breath mean’s she’s somehow no longer responsible for her actions and therefore incapable of having given consent whatsoever.
Again, this comes from the daemonic image of men that has evolved over the past several decades. Did decent women instigate these images, no. Women whom despise men such as those post comments about cooking their male offspring’s penis on feminazi websites are largely accountable for it.
Wouldn’t you rather be made fun of for ridiculous stereotyping as this website does, than be daemonised as a criminal waiting to perpetrate another horror upon society for no better reason than being a gender? We men suffer both every single day of the year, ridicule, and daemonsation. The imbalance is astronomically weighted towards women in both media and law.
I agree with most everything BrokenJohnny says about his respect and love for women, my only difference is that I don’t need a intellectual woman to be content. I thankfully have many intellectual friends with whom I can stimulate my mental faculties with highbrow topics, and think the love and affection a good woman can offer is delightful enough in itself.
Respect however, is something a person earns, civility is what all people deserve until they prove they no longer deserve it. This is the essence of human dignity. Respect is something a person merits through their actions or judgements or proven capicity to perform a wholesome and useful thing. That’s why respected people are looked up to, but modern women demand it be given them on the basis of the fact they want it and expect it. Respect is also something that can be as easily lost after having previously earned it. Such observations on the state of society do not mean I hate women, I’d not spend so much time with them if that were the case, but rather that with an open and fact absorbing mind I am not convinced by Tim the Toolman that men are blundering idiots incapable of anything constructive, nor am I convinced by the movement to end the negative portrayal of women that are perfect in every way and victims of mankind. Nor do I believe that 100 years ago western women were beaten brood mares enslaved to the stove and regarded by their husbands as just another possession of less value or concern than their cigar humidor. The facts, when you really look for the truth, are quite compelling. Families back then were a solid unit of joint adult partnership, and they thrived as a result. 50% of modern family units by comparison, are akin to a toy smashed by a petulantly spoilt self-absorbed child.

Clair said:

How do we know she is Australian?

Anyway, u seem smart. The advice/information u gave me was good (thank-you, i never got around to saying thanks). Maybe u can help her not be so mad?

The language she uses is the lowest form of uneducated old school ocker trash you’ll find in Victoria. It has segments of prison speak, the baser form of truck driver lingo, and plain old ghetto spawn alcoholism. She made reference to Australian politics in a manner which only an Aussie female would be inclined to, American’s would speak of Hillary Clinton, and Brits have already had their female Prime Minister Maggie Thatcher. I guess her to be from the northern suburbs of Melbourne, as I said in the thread she first posted in.
http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/a-womans-version-of-self-reliance  /all-comments/#comments
There’s very little hope for her, Clair, I won’t even lower myself to speak directly to her again, I said my piece in that thread.
You’re also very welcome for the advice, young women who stick with decency against the pressure of their peers are far more likely to find a decent man to share their life with rather than one of the less decent types who have high demands and offer nothing in return. Most women don’t seem to understand this until its too late. You don’t have to be a virgin to get a decent man who’ll respect you as a person, but if you have no self respect, then nobody else will respect you either.

How can she be alright? Feminazis are souless sociopathologies, they will do anything just to catch a guy from here with his guard down Zardoz

Zardoz said:

Neandertalman said:
Clair is a chik i knew it!
KIll it quick before it calls its kin!

Nah, Clair is alright from what I’ve seen. Not one of the feminazis at all. Just a girl trying to understand stuff. But if you wanna help cleanse Oz of some vastly more distasteful example of the feminine gender, check out Maelstrom and sharpen yer stone axe mate, heheh

How do we know she is Australian?

Anyway, u seem smart. The advice/information u gave me was good (thank-you, i never got around to saying thanks). Maybe u can help her not be so mad?

Clair said:
Naaaww..thanks. hehe..oh Maelstrom..she the one that says the erm..ahh..scary things huh? Is she Australian?

Seems the disgusting ghetto gutter troll uses more than one IP address. Check <a href=”http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/hashsearch/192936/ this one out for an better example of the worst Australia has to offer the world. I’m ashamed, and I’m not even a woman. Just being associated with this piece of filth by nationhood is repulsive…

Zardoz said:

Neandertalman said:
Clair is a chik i knew it!
KIll it quick before it calls its kin!

Nah, Clair is alright from what I’ve seen. Not one of the feminazis at all. Just a girl trying to understand stuff. But if you wanna help cleanse Oz of some vastly more distasteful example of the feminine gender, check out Maelstrom and sharpen yer stone axe mate, heheh

Naaaww..thanks. hehe..oh Maelstrom..she the one that says the erm..ahh..scary things huh? Is she Australian?