I can’t help but notice that you’re being disingenuous with your comparison of cars and cosmetics. You shouldn’t try to illuminate an issue while putting the motives in the back seat.

Sure you shouldn’t go over the speed limit but I imagine many Ferrari owners do. Also, you can reach the speed limit faster in a Ferrari than a Mazda. The fast acceleration is dangerous and speaks to men on a primal level.

There’s also the aesthetic appeal of supercars. When I look at photos of an Aston Martin, I’m not thinking “I can attract more women in THAT car”. While I’m aware that I probably would, I am thinking “that is a work of automotive art”. The looks and engineering have been fretted over for many, many hours to come up with this extraordinary achievement. I can’t afford these cars but it doesn’t stop me looking at pictures of them. I use the Aston Martin example because it’s a conscious decision of my favourite car. Not because they have more advertising power than Ferrari (they really don’t).

Do women pick a lipstick because they are aware of the slavish lab work that goes into creating them, the time spent coming up with an attractive packaging or because it’s Max Factor?

Yes some men buy expensive cars to attract women, and apparently some women wear make up because THEY want to, rather than to appear attractive. That makes about as much sense as buying a supercar and using it as a paperweight.

Even Marvel comics is catching on.

Its because a wedding band indicates that the man is interested in a woman’s approval…. and does things that are in HER best interest.

AKA – “male weakness”.

Men are not permitted BY LAW to demonstrate the strength that is VERY OFTEN NECESSARY in relationships and marriages. Men are not permitted to discipline their children properly…. or their wives and girlfriends. When we do, we are considered “sexist”, women hating, and … when we don’t, we are WUSSIES.

The only choice a man HAS is to GET RID OF HER…. and to never reward a woman for shitty behavior or for being a bitch.

Men in relationships and marriages ARE EXPECTED to treat women WELL (or somehow “better”) when they cry, nag, behave like selfish cunts, propose marriage when they whine loudly enough, are annoying, and wont shut the fuck up.

A woman’s angle is to actually try and SCARE a man into marrying her than being able to make him WANT to marry her voluntarily.

• “If you won’t marry me I’m leaving”.
• “If you don’t marry me, you will die alone.”
• “There is something WRONG with MEN. Men are afraid of commitment.”

What a lame-ass bunch of CRAP.

NOT POSITIVE FEMALE STRENGTH.
ALWAYS NEGATIVE MALE WEAKNESS.

Women LOVE this MALE WEAKNESS.
But they are never truly ATTRACTED to it.

So how do women brainwash each other, and their sons???

• ”She’s upset. Do something NICE for her.”
• “She won’t have sex? Take her out for a nice dinner.”
• “You need to pay MORE attention to her.”

etc.

ALL MALE WEAKNESS.
ALL BULLSHIT.

I am very sorry to hear about your marriage. That cannot have been pleasant. While I do firmly believe in equal support/honesty/contribution of effort etc, you wife should not have tried to emasculate you/make unreasonable financial demands and so forth. Marriage, in my opinion is a partnership, and from what you have said, she let down her end of the bargain. But I truly hope that her behavior and manipulation (of you and of feminism) does not cause you to project her traits onto all women.

I have enjoyed our conversation. I think (hope?) it was informative for both of us and it was certainly food for thought.

I wish you well.

Good point, those with common decency allready do. In other words political correctness IS NOT required.
Seriously, women are far easier manipulated by the media than men, even with TITS on display, if not when they’re younger certainly once they age. The opposite is true of women, as they age they get worse. Remember these words once you age some more. Finally, you really are suffering what I also have come to expect from women, arguing at any cost. I’ll now do as I used to do with my ex to end the discussion between us (as unfair as it is and hopefully the only disrespect I have shown you) Ironic, you win, feel free to reply so you can have the last word. All the best and I hope some day you’re actually able to make some of your own opinions and decisions. *ducks the frying pan just launched at him* :P

My example of the car was to illuminate how both men and women are swayed by advertising/media. The emphasis was more on this issue, than on the reasons that they do so. But now that you mention it buying a ferrari, if it is to attract women, is EXACTLY as conscious an act as women buying cosmetics (to attract men). Feasibly, you could even suggest that women are more rational because they are spending $30 at the chemist, rather than $300,000 at the dealership.

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Extraordinary women in history: Cleopatra, Sappho, Elizabeth I, Joan of Arc, Anna Etheridge, Florence Nightingale, Helen Keller, Margaret Mead, Hannah Arendt, Grace Hopper and I could go on and on and on.

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Im not clear on what you are saying next- are you saying that the “truth” is that upbringing and inherited traits have no role in how successful we are in life? Because that is patently untrue.

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Please don’t quote me selectively. I said “in the scheme of things”. A Y chromosome and the descent of the gonads, and elevated testosterone are minor considering that a woman’s heart/lungs/liver/spinal cord/brain, all function in the exact same way that a man’s does.

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You dont ‘earn’ rights. That is the point- that rights are bestowed equally and to all (see example of person in coma above).

All people should be able to have say in political affairs that affect their lives, because it affects their lives/it is politicians that make the laws that they must oblige by, etc.

Public welfare is for the good of the public as a whole, not men alone. It would unjust to exclude women from this support. Especially since they pay taxes. The suggestion is odd. What would you do, for example, with an 85 year old woman, too old to work, her husband dead, her children too poor to care for her? Let her die in the street rather than give her a pension?

I’ll let her have the last word, or maybe you. :-)

While men do so, women do so far more often. The media is literally made for women.

I don’t think the decision to own ferraris to attract women is controlled by the media. It has been proven to be quite successful, so any man who wants to attract women would do well to adopt it(if he can). Although I think that any effort spent on women is a waste, and detrimental to both men and women, it is nevertheless a more conscious activity than a woman buying cosmetics.

An action can be either moral or immoral. Lack of character does not produce any actions. At best, it produces reactions to certain external phenomena. That is why it is amoral – and amorality is a lot less moral than immorality.

By an “action”, I mean a conscious decision to do something, which is not guided by emotion.

I dont think most women think they are better- some may think that as a group they are/have historically been victimized and excluded, some think that they women have the same capacity as men to perform tasks (few would say that they could chop wood as fast as a man could but they could chop wood- hey, a tongue twister, and it was by accident!). Most just want to equal rights, legal protections and access to opportunities.

As for the vulnerability to the media, what you say is true- many people are swayed by what the see/hear/read. Sometimes its because they are not educated about what is best (ie they dont know about nutrition so they think formula is better than breast milk) others because they believe that the information is coming from an authority or because its what “society” tells them to do.

But this is true for men also- “buy this car/deodorant/beer and you will make friends/be successful/attract women”. If they didn’t buy into this information they wouldn’t buy many of the products that they do. For example, in Australia I’ve seen disproportionately more men driving ferraris or porshe etc, cars designed for speed- but the speed limit is 100k/hr pretty much everywhere. Any mazda or ford can reach those speeds just as easily for 1/5 the cost. They have just bought into the hype (and at a ridiculously high cost I might add).

While I have made the point that people can be equally as capable of being intelligent, perhaps I should add they men and women are equally as capable of proving themselves to be fools.

Although I think that there should be justice for all men and women before the law, women, in their current state, should not have an equal share in political affairs and public welfare.

Chris: I see this too. In fact I lived it for a while in my marriage, until I simply rejected it. With the obvious end result.