How Do I Deal With a Vegetarian?
The following question was sent to me by diamatik. If you would like to ask me a question, submit it via the Contact Dick page or post it in the forums.
“My girlfriend is a Vegan. What the fuck do I do when I want to eat, make her sit there? Won’t my em-man-imotions make me feel guilty?”
Yes. Make her sit there. Women lead long and un-lustrious lives spent primarily in various states of sitting there. True, they spend a lot of time on their backs during childbirth and activites which are inevitably childbirth related, but the true nature of womankind is to sit down and shut the fuck up.
Women are like Jesus, except instead of twelve stations of the cross, they have twelve positions for sitting there. Except because they’re women and lazy there are actually only three different positions and also, unlike Jesus, women don’t give a shit about anyone but themselves.
First of all, yes, your man-emotions will tell you to give half a shit about the welfare of your girlfriend.
“Is she hungry? Would she feel bad watching me eat meat? Would she feel bad if I accidentally dropped a fork off the table and requested another one and then first fork would feel neglected in some way? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever thought.”
Using your emotions when it comes to women is like using a chainsaw to cut a loaf of soggy bread. It’s overkill. Women don’t know the definition of empathy. They can appreciate it as much as they can appreciate a Ferrari or a pistol — or how awesome it would be to cut a loaf of bread with a chainsaw. It’s not because they don’t know very much either; it’s because empathy at its core cannot be understood by the female invertebrate slug brain. You can sit there and explain it to her until her big fat female friends come over and you’ll never make a dent.
Deal with women vegetarians the same way you deal with woman anything-ians.
Woman “lesbians” for example. Just hit on them non-stop. They love that kind of treatment. Actually, that’s the most reason women become “lesbians” temporarily; they haven’t gotten enough male attention in their lives.
If you’re dealing with a woman vegetarian, make her eat meat. They all want to. Obviously, “make” is a word you can define at your own man-discretion. Entice, coerce, bribe; they’re all the same fucking word. It’s your will and as a man your will is your prerogative.
The suffixes of “ians” and “isms” and “ists” are reserved for men. Just like the prefixes of Mr, Sir, and Dr. Women have no place with any of them around their piddly little names. It’s like that hilarious internet picture of the donkey attempting to haul about 2 tonnes of packing shit only to have itself lifted about ten feet in the air. Women are exactly like that with their meaningless -isms and -ians. They’re exactly like that except they’re not hilarious at all. They’re just a pain in the ass.
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September 4th, 2006 at 11:50 am - IP Man-Hash: 1a4ed84419c7b
I love making vegan bitches eat the sausage…
they get it in the mouth and they just gotta have more..
fucking stupid vegan whores.
September 4th, 2006 at 7:33 pm - IP Man-Hash: 0dfa59b8b0b58
It seems that I was a bit misunderstood. My man-emotions had nothing to do with it. This was 100% about manners. I am a man of honor, and not a woman-like hypocrite. I think women should know their place. I think that men are better than women, and in recognition of our innate superiority to them we have invented chivalry as a more appropriate form of affirmative action.
I cannot be a good man and tell a woman the truth about men being better than women and then turn around and withhold the chivalry (i.e. treating them as if they could possibly be equal). I am, and will always be, a gentleman at heart. If some want to call that touchy-feely emotional shit, then so be it. But I have integrity and I shall stand up for that which I believe, with both words and action.
As we all know, there are other genders (which I shall not name here) that say they are equal to men, but then backtrack to requesting the good-old chivalry when it suits them. This brazen lack of scruples can only come from those who lack scrotums.
September 4th, 2006 at 7:34 pm - IP Man-Hash: 76cebfba7c181
That’s very well said, diamatik. Especially the alliteration: scruples… scrotums.
-wolfe
September 4th, 2006 at 7:36 pm - IP Man-Hash: d8f419652ad49
Touchy feely isn’t being emotional, it’s being emotionally stunted by too many fairy tales.
My apologies, diamatik. I can edit the article if you’d like.
-Dick
September 4th, 2006 at 7:41 pm - IP Man-Hash: 0dfa59b8b0b58
No need to adjust anything, just wanted to clear something up. The addendum you gave will suffice.
September 4th, 2006 at 10:12 pm - IP Man-Hash: a534d221e3ca9
Witness two more reasons why men are better than women. They can apologize and even compromise if needed.
September 5th, 2006 at 9:00 am - IP Man-Hash: 5950bb08d3016
Vegans are walking contradictions just like most women, they twist things to suit their needs at the time.
More animals are harmed by farming practices, even organic ones than by slaughterhouses each year.
They should learn all the facts before they demonize people for eating the way humanity has for centuries. Vegetables are meant to complement your diet, everything in moderation and balance.
Where were the vegans when thousands of wild animals had to be slaughtered to make way for their yuppie suburban homes? How many wolves, coyotes and mountain lions were displaced? How many rats?
If you take one stance, you should take it for EVERYTHING, not be a BUTT MONKEY and have it be convenient when it suits your needs.
September 5th, 2006 at 9:29 am - IP Man-Hash: 4555637db20cf
Correction, dear sir,
If you take one stance, you should take it for EVERYTHING, not be a
BUTT MONKEYWOMAN and have it be convenient when it suits your needs.Because that is the very nature of women.
September 5th, 2006 at 9:39 am - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
Lukasz, I disagree. It’s far cheaper to feed vegans than people with balanced diets. It’s also far more efficient, which is why it’s cheaper. That said, even eating some meat is far more enjoyable than chewing herbs noly like the next herbivore. That is until you start to factor in the indispensable nutritional supplements imposed by such a diet. Which would logically balance the cost, intuitively speaking.
Alas, excessive indulgence in meat leads to higher risk of heart attack and strokes as well as gout, not in the least a pleasant condition. The health risks associated with excessive meat in the diet outweigh those of no meat at all.
Then again, large brained cognitively superior, short intestined mammels would logically have higher, more elaborate optimal nutritional needs than a cow, for instance. Also, having 4 stomachs is somewhat of a prerequisite for a successfully making due on a vegan diet.
September 5th, 2006 at 9:47 am - IP Man-Hash: 1a1c6117577ed
This doesn’t make an iota of sense. There are men who are vegans too.
I don’t agree with the views of vegans or vegetarians but it is really daft to start criticising them. Who cares what they decide to eat or not? Provided they don’t start proselytizing to me and others, it doesn’t matter.
Moreover, it is not a specific gender issue to be a vegan, so what’s the point in making an issue over women being vegans and not men?
September 5th, 2006 at 9:48 am - IP Man-Hash: 68cb7479382dc
Has anyone, at any time, seen a Vegan that actually LOOKED healthy? I haven’t. Every Vegan I’ve ever seen looked like pale, sickly people. I don’t think that is a coincidence either. They also never seem to smile and laugh.
September 5th, 2006 at 9:52 am - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
Yes. Poor malnurished things. Alas, such it is with women left to their own devices, especially concerning nutrition. They need nutritional suplements.
The kind that only a man can provide.
September 5th, 2006 at 11:34 am - IP Man-Hash: 6897e3ddf8ad0
There are only male vegans. Women vegans just want attention. They don’t even understand why they’re vegans nor can they note the myriads of hypocrisies found elsewhere in their lifestyles.
-Dick
September 5th, 2006 at 11:55 am - IP Man-Hash: 4555637db20cf
Funny.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:04 pm - IP Man-Hash: 7707fdbf4d20b
I would just like to point out not every vegan cares about the fact that others eat meat, wtf happends to the farm animals etc. Some (probably very few) like me just plain dont like meat, and dosen’t try to “convert” others. like you see those vegan bitches at PETA do.
diamantik, why care if she’s a vegan? unless she’s annoying you to stop eating meat aswell just let her keep at it. Probably leaves more money for you to buy beef for :D
September 5th, 2006 at 1:36 pm - IP Man-Hash: 6897e3ddf8ad0
Beef or beer. Either one.
-Dick
September 5th, 2006 at 8:44 pm - IP Man-Hash: 68cb7479382dc
Don’t you mean beef AND beer? :)
September 5th, 2006 at 11:48 pm - IP Man-Hash: 6897e3ddf8ad0
Good point. I am corrected.
-Dick
September 6th, 2006 at 7:14 am - IP Man-Hash: 5950bb08d3016
I did say everything in moderation and balance.
I eat vegetables myself, as well as red meat, pork, chicken and lots of fish, along with many dairy products.
My diet consists of plenty of bright colored berries and fruits.
The trick to NOT getting prematurely sick on anything is to eat a variety of things. For example having an alcoholic beverage lowers your risk of heart disease, as do the berries.
In the end my risk of developing heart disease from my red meat twice a week eating is far less than the many problems a vegan diet will lead to.
If you don’t have balance in your diet you will be malnourished no matter how many calories you take in.
I also make healthy beers, these are loaded with B-vitamins and vitamin-C, naturally of course. I use good barley, good water and old brewing methods.
Whereas I agree that it is cheaper to feed based on a vegan diet, certain animals make things that our bodies can not. For example, essential amino acids and essential fatty acids. Without these, we will eventually come down with a host of health problems and then die. You NEED cholesterol to make steroid hormones, omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids, l-glutamine and the list goes on.
During the course of my Doctorate I had ALOT of training in Nutrition and know alot more than some of those nutjobs on tv pitching fad diets all the time.
Any person with common sense knows the best way to eat is through a variety of things. Men get strange urges for red meat, usually this happens when their Zinc and Iron levels get low, why fight nature and biology? Our digestive systems were not made to extract all the nutrients properly from plant material.
Big cats are strict carnivores, they get their vitamins from the fresh meat and blood of their kill, likewise humans, although more advanced digestion than the cats, still need meat for many of these same minerals.
Read my post again, I did say everything in moderation.
September 6th, 2006 at 11:04 am - IP Man-Hash: 497a2bd14e918
First never go down on her. Because that would be eating “meat”!
Second she’ll never go down on you for the same reason, so get rid of her and get a meat eating woman so you can have something in common.
And in the meantime, eat meat while she sits there, and make all kinds of manly growling noises while doing it, just to educate her on how fantastic it tastes to eat meat.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:02 pm - IP Man-Hash: eb77ac8d5375f
You don’t. Because she will be more annoying than the rest. See, for women, it goes like this:
I believe in X (Hidden agenda- “What I really want to do is Y”)
People who believe in X also believe in Y
Therefore I do Y.
Y is always whore around. Substitute X for whatever you want. Being Vegan, taking Yoga classes, eating ice cream. Whatever.
September 7th, 2006 at 5:12 pm - IP Man-Hash: 707db0aa1f86e
I am not a vegan hypocrite, but for arguement’s sake it is possible to get all the essential amino acids and fatty acids without meat. Black beans and flax seeds, and pills.
But it’s fucking stupid and expensive and tastes like shit. But we are talking about women here…
I do take fish oil pills though for omega 3 to supplement my manly omnivore diet… because how many fucking cans of tuna can you choke down a day?
I’m guessing its all pointless though since I drink like a fish and smoke like a factory in scummy Newark.
September 11th, 2006 at 12:40 pm - IP Man-Hash: 0aba117cbb907
I do as well.
-Strength and Honor-
September 11th, 2006 at 12:55 pm - IP Man-Hash: c8da780d6eefc
Simple…when dealing with a vegan…eat however you damn well want to. If she’s worth being with…she’ll deal. If you feel like being courteous, maybe you’ll brush before you kiss her, but you should definitely not change your eating habits over hers.
September 11th, 2006 at 12:58 pm - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
I forgot vegans exist. Well. I’d just burp my bacon and roast chicken breast right in her mouth like the swine I am.
Worst that can happen is the mother of women’s slaps. Which is, frankly, woos. That and a grudge fuck your delights out.
September 11th, 2006 at 1:28 pm - IP Man-Hash: 4555637db20cf
Mmmmmm, grudge fucks.
September 15th, 2006 at 10:02 am - IP Man-Hash: 88c1e58dc3ca7
first of all, i’m somewhat of a vegetarian in that i only eat animals that don’t eat meat….
secondly, i like to invite vegs over and unbeknownst to them include just a hint of flesh…just to see…if they don’t get ill they’re eligible for the next round.
September 15th, 2006 at 10:18 am - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
I’m sure no carnivorous creature would fancy you for supper either.
September 15th, 2006 at 10:42 am - IP Man-Hash: 88c1e58dc3ca7
fancy has nothing to do with it - come on, really, did we ever get anywhere by being on our best behavio[u]r…
September 15th, 2006 at 10:47 am - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
Incoherent rambling with a dash of babbling. If stupidity was the moral, felicitations.
September 15th, 2006 at 11:00 am - IP Man-Hash: 88c1e58dc3ca7
you must mean felatio-tations…
ahhh, fancy liquor…
September 15th, 2006 at 11:06 am - IP Man-Hash: 4555637db20cf
smrtpants, please stop trying to solicit customers here. And f.y.i., next time try spelling the services you offer properly (that means you spell it with two L’s), whore.
September 15th, 2006 at 11:09 am - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
Fel[l]atio-tations? Rampant penis envy, ey?
Go do yourself a favour and suck some cock. You’ve been missing out too long on those fine nutritional supplements.
September 15th, 2006 at 11:12 am - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
Indeed diamatik.
Fel[l]atio-tations? Rampant penis envy, ey?
September 15th, 2006 at 11:26 am - IP Man-Hash: 88c1e58dc3ca7
whore indeed.
as in, who’re you to make such advanced, higher thinking even, accsuations…[not really but i wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, rather than doubting the benefit herein...]
so it seems that given the choice you would prefer that dead-fish-of-a-peachfish over one as wonton-ly fiesty as myself…
…’cause you know you just simply cannot wave that ‘magic wand’ of yers’ and make all of us she’s disappear
…though you do try, don’t you.
…choose her; the more eloquent one, i would, but i’m not going anywhere…
…because timing is everything that isn’t c[l]ocks mister.
September 15th, 2006 at 11:29 am - IP Man-Hash: 4555637db20cf
(yawns), what was that? Oh, don’t tell me, I don’t care. Now go peddle your wares elsewhere.
September 15th, 2006 at 11:44 am - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
Senseless rambling elevated to the putative rank of philosophy, wisdom even. ‘Tis but another of the woeful ‘accomplishments’ of feminism and its equally moronic less evil prerequisite precursors.
Sadly, try as you might, feminists can never forge beyond the level of intellectually inept penile mock referencing with their rebukes, whatever the coating or flavour, their intelligence or education. Evidence this is your rampant penis envy seeping through your typing fingers.
F. Y. I., any syllogism (though your senseless word play rambling hardly qualifies) that doesn’t hold water after translation to another language is intellectually fallacious.
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:25 pm - IP Man-Hash: 2f2d948528fdf
ok so im a vegetarian and all but im not all crazy-psycho about it. i dont care what other people do, or what other people believe in.
September 23rd, 2006 at 6:56 pm - IP Man-Hash: 2f2d948528fdf
the reason girls go lesbian is because you act like jerks and treat us like nothing. i hate how guys can be with all these girls at once and his friends will be like ‘way to go’. if a girl does that she’ll get called a whore. why are WE treated like that? and that thing about how we’re “cheating whores”. i beg to differ. i think guys are usually the ones doing that stuff but see they get away with it bc society in general is like ‘oh thats not cheating, he’s doing what any other guy would do’. not cool.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:02 pm - IP Man-Hash: 05bdcb82f843a
I think partly what you’re observing is the stupidity of youth. Adult men don’t generally pat each other on the back for womanizing. Indeed, when I discovered that a former co-worked had cheated on his wife with her sister in his wife’s parents’ home, my reaction and the reaction of the men who knew about it was, “God, what an asshole.”
Also, before condemning this as exclusively a masculine trait, you might want to read the Canada Globe and Mail story, “Mommy’s Little Secret“. It’s quite an eye-opener.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:03 pm - IP Man-Hash: 2f2d948528fdf
yeah, when guys are older and all, they really Grow Up. thank god haha. when im talking, its mainly not in the world world, but the high school world. ehk.
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:07 pm - IP Man-Hash: 2f2d948528fdf
by the way we’re on the subject of men vs women in society and all that jazz a lot in sociology class (possibly my favorite class this yr…) and its quite interesting. i love that class. very discussion based.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:08 pm - IP Man-Hash: 5f25557f12b69
Hey sandra, fuck off.
-Dick
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:20 pm - IP Man-Hash: 1a4ed84419c7b
discuss that, bitch.
September 24th, 2006 at 12:40 am - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
Earnestly Sandra, this is not an appropriate place for little girls to seek empathic discussion let alone relationship or emotional advice.
Please go away, or there will be hell more swearing at you than this. Unless, of course, that doesn’t phase you out in the least.
September 24th, 2006 at 5:36 am - IP Man-Hash: c7a298151bcdd
phase me? thats stupid. i just posted a lot last night because i was bored. gheez sorry if i ruined your people’s “manly fun”
September 24th, 2006 at 7:08 am - IP Man-Hash: 05bdcb82f843a
Cute, Sam/Pete/Ted/Elitist Prick, but clearly not the same Sandra. As usual, the IP Man-Hash reveals the poser every time. :)
September 24th, 2006 at 8:05 am - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
Her siblings, perhaps?
September 24th, 2006 at 8:27 am - IP Man-Hash: 05bdcb82f843a
Not based on the Man-Hash. Just a troll. She’s been here before, usually attempting to disguise herself as a man.
September 28th, 2006 at 3:48 am - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
Hehe, the vegan cunt trap. Was she the one with the traditional ‘fagots’ greeting?
I guess my remark about squaring homosexuality with fathering was a tad coarse, but nowhere near her rampant hate of queer.
September 28th, 2006 at 8:40 pm - IP Man-Hash: 54f297af1830d
Good observation sandra. Most men aren’t fully mature until their early twenties. Of course that’s because they have much further to go. Women are generally fully mature in their mid teens. Unfortunately they rarely advance beyond that. This is why feminists always seem to behave like fifteen year olds.
February 28th, 2007 at 8:10 pm - IP Man-Hash: 7611d2e551981
How to help a vegetarian?
Eat a salad, take a shit in a plate and give it to them. It contains no by-products, and reminds me of Fondue.
Rarely does a veg-head do anything but bitch. Sounds womanly, kind of like Moby (sorry, had to say that).
The don’t like cows getting killed, but they will clear out a forest worth of vegetables and probably think it is cool too. Definitely womanly.
I eat meat. MEAT. MEAT as in: MEAT
I am the penultimate killer, I AM the top of the food chain. My food cannot run faster than the MAN created weapons that kill it. I enjoy that.
Veg-heads: Don’t bruise the lettuce.
MEAT: Don’t try to run, you will still die, and I will eat you anyway. Oh well, don’t say I didn’t warn you, just as long as I don’t bruise that shoulder steak area with my bullet of natural selection.
Veg-heads: I am concious of the environment, and cows fart a lot polluting the atmosphere (refer: “atmosqueer”) with heavy emissions of methane like my wife.
MEAT: That cow was goddamned tasty. Any more? Fuck. Let’s go fishing.
Veg-heads: Killing animals is wrong.
MEAT: I wrongly killed that cow, I meant to hit that deer instead. Plus, the cow was weak, it never created weapons to fight back. MEAT wins.
Veg-heads: I like lettuce.
MEAT: I like green things too, like Benjamin or Washington. I once wiped my ass with some oak leaves. They were not green, but I was really only out for the instant gratification thing. It was a going back to nature thing.
Veg-heads: All life is interconnected.
MEAT: That is why you use a Ginsu to seperate the tendons and all that interconnecting tissue.
Veg-heads: I love (blank)
MEAT: I have to go shit, that Triple Meat with Cheese is making a turtle head pop out. Time to make the doughnuts. PREPARE FOR BATTLE!
February 28th, 2007 at 10:24 pm - IP Man-Hash: 3fb3d0709ff44
I’m not sure if anything like this has already been posted but I don’t understand how anyone can become a vegetarian, or worse yet a vegan, because they feel sorry for the animals.
Its especially troubling when vegans/vegetarians equate the suffering of animals with that of jews during the reign of nazism, systematic starvings under Stalin, etc. In no way are cows, chickens, and so equal to humans. There is a natural hierarchy to the animal kingdom. Just as one wouldn’t mind billions of bacteria being killed by anti-biotics to save a human life, mosquitos being sprayed to save human lives by preventing the spread of malaria, or rats being exterminated to insure diseases aren’t transmitted by the fleas etc. on them, people should not mind the slaughtering of farm animals to provide sustinence for humans.
None of these vegans/vegetarians look healthy; they are all skin and bones. They pop handfuls of pills on a daily basis just to get the vitamins, nutrients, and fatty acids they would otherwise be getting from a balanced diet. If only modern medicine had not come so far, survival of the fittest would be well-capable of taking care of the supremacist pussies that refuse to eat meat.
It frustrates me to no end that these dumb cunts think they are superior because they have higher moral standards etc. that will not allow them to eat meat. All these dumb feminists are the same. They think they are kinder and more sensitive than men, or that they have better morals because of shit like this. Silly feminists, go on thinking that not killing animals makes you morally superior, while your at it maybe you should murder more unborn children, destroy more families, or perhaps castrate more men. Your twisted morals sicken me.
March 1st, 2007 at 1:38 am - IP Man-Hash: e360eaab3b47f
Feminist are just plain delusional. They are the only ones stupid enough to be fooled.
March 1st, 2007 at 2:08 am - IP Man-Hash: e360eaab3b47f
I meant to say Women are the only ones fooled. Women are so gullible.
March 1st, 2007 at 1:40 pm - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
The only things wrong with meat are making your croak before your time of a heart disease or stroke because of circulatory congestion (if you’ve no grasp of the concept of moderation or just plain cholesterol addict) and gout but mainly, it’s too freaking expensive!
March 1st, 2007 at 4:04 pm - IP Man-Hash: 7611d2e551981
AH! You are right, 100%! Meat will make you croak out.
FACT: L.A. is funky nasty and has polluted air, just like Houston, Atlanta and almost ALL major metropolitan areas.
FACT: There is not telling what is truly in your water.
FACT: Our meat now is handled and processed as badly as females now. Cows are fed insanely protein rich diets, and of course, other cows. Chickens are the same, as well as pigs. They are fed steroids (fact) along with having next to no immune system in order to speed growth up to 125% (fact). Genetic tampering and gengeneering is considered commonplace, ESPECIALLY so in the vegetable/fruit world. (Fact, refer to agriculture giant Kerr Mcgee, who does corn enhancements)
None of it is natural at all, and only NOW is science beginning to understand the true effects happening to tampering with food of ANY kind.
FACT: If you breath, drink water, or eat anything, you will probably die from it. If you ate like the old-timers with none of this nasty shit in your food, water and air you would last LONGER and be healthier.
FACT: You will die anyway. No matter what, you will die. Men understand this.
Veg-heads are as bad off as we are. Please refer to any pesticide in existence, since all go through testing, there is NEVER long term testing for side effects until AFTER people die from cancer that no one has ever heard of.
You can argue Veg-Heads can run a garden of their own. Very true, but not any more “clean” than my meat.
Fact: Vegetables and fruits are constantly gengeneered. This includes their offspring, which happen to be seeds. Modern science does not address long term effects.
Fact: The fertilizer you use is reclaimed cow (and other) shit. Pure shit. Happens to be, that same shit came from a genetically modified cow who was fed not only other genetically modified cows, but also genetically modified feed and chemically modified everything else including steroids.
Fact: The water you water your plants with DOES contain the basic H2O, but ALSO contains various chemicals to fight viral and bacterial agents. MORE so if you live in a large city. They include but are not limited to: Flouride which is instant death in large doses.
Fact: The soil you are growing your vegetables in has had OVER 200 years of pollutants in it, including Acid Rain, and massive amounts of chemicals from everything you can think of.
Meat or Veg, we all gotta croak out.
March 1st, 2007 at 8:19 pm - IP Man-Hash: 3fb3d0709ff44
Stupid Gorilla Man, I disagree with some of the things you are saying. I don’t think you would live longer if you ate like the “old-timers”. Although the dramatic increase in longevity in recent years can be primarily attributed to modern medicine, there is no denying that modern diets are more balanced than those of ancient times.
A plethora of fruits, vegetables, meats, etc. are now available to consumers and as a result we are eating far more healthily.
The water you specifically water your plants with may very well contain more than just H2O (I have well water which I run through an RO/DI system so my water does not contain more than H2O). There are chlorines and chloramines in city water to kill bacteria and viruses, however they aren’t absorbed and metabolised by plants so regardless of what negative effects they have on the plants, I would argue that they do not have negative effects on the people eating the plants; pesticides are another issue though.
You can’t generalize things by labeling everything thats genetically modified or enhanced by the use of chemicals as bad. The flouride in water is in general a plus. It increases the strength of the enamel on your teeth.
Saying that the soil has 200 years of pollutants in it isn’t really a point of concern for the people eating the plants growing in the formentioned soil. Many things that you or I may consider a pollutant are necessary for the growth of plants. Ammonium/Ammonia ions that would be potentially dangerous to humans are denitrifried in soil and broken down into NO3- which is used by the plants.
You have some great points however, the modern diet is far superior to its ancient counterpart.
PS~ Meat is almost necessary to one’s diet. Without it there are a multitude of health concerns including but not limited to: Calcium, Iron, Vitamin B12 and D, and protein deficiency. These can lead to some nasty problems like enemia and breathing disorders. Just do a google search on it, the advantages of having some meat in your diet far outweigh the disadvantages.
March 1st, 2007 at 9:42 pm - IP Man-Hash: e360eaab3b47f
While I agree with most of what you said here. You should google flouride and read about it sometime. Its posion.
March 1st, 2007 at 10:25 pm - IP Man-Hash: 7611d2e551981
You make excellent and valid points (Man-Law), studies are constantly in a state of flux on what is considered “Good” and “Bad”, and even “In-Between”. Coffee used to be awful, now it is ok. Lard is awful, vegetable oil was awesome, now it is awful like lard because of saturated fats. There are good carbs and bad carbs, but the VA says “Bullshit, no such thing”.
Since we cannot cure the common cold, why is that we can DEFINITIVELY say this or even that when everything is constantly changing in the science of health? The studies themselves prove each OTHER wrong more than they prove anything at all right. (Refer to Oleo, the new and awesome way to make potato chips)
We can GENERALLY say Flouride is a plus. We do know it helps with dental health. However, I am still unconvinced, as I would like to see studies done on JUST that issue (flouride vs. non-flouride) and NOT flouride PLUS everything acidic you eat and drink vs. non-flouride in a country that has awful water to begin with, and generally COMPLETELY different diets of only fish-heads and rice. (NOT AN INSULT, you get the point)
Being a man, you understand my point.
Since the fight is still going on over genetically enhanced everything, and considering so many things are NOW added to food products that literally it would be a scientific nightmare to try studies that are all encompassing, consider the amazing Diabetic and Obese studies and statistics that are being done. Now take that data of the rate of growth for both, and apply it to what you consider a sub-standard diet 120 years ago, and compare which is better- A somewhat longer life due to dieting due to processed food due to………….VS Get up, go to work, eat anything that is cooked.
Truly they did not care what they ate, but diabetic rates were low, and I have never seen conclusive rates that heart attacks or anything else INCLUDING cancer was worse at that time. Secondly, the “longer life” theory in my opinion is just that, THEORY. I say that because I have neighbors born DURING the FIRST WORLD WAR who ate and do eat awful diets and smoke, and yet they outlive their doctors.
Secondly, consider the population density and overall environmental factors of BOTH time periods. There are large changes in both. How can you say MORE people died 120 years ago from heart attacks when records and science were not kept as strictly versus records being kept NOW, but with QUADRUPLE the population? Are the death rates the same? Of course not, less people then, more now, so more people die NOW than then right? Why? Where is the data? Where are the studies?
No matter what, modern day science has yet to PROVE jack or shit. Studies are conclusive that prove other studies wrong that prove inconclusive. Some studies are never done when you think they should be on many things, and other studies are done on studies that make no sense at all. I have seen studies on caffeine that says it rots my body, but 10 years later say it extends my life. WTF? And these are the same guys sending men to the moon……………..and telling me they are not wrong, except for that one time they THOUGHT they were wrong, but that was a statistical fluke…………and by the way, don’t eat (fill in the blank this week)
But, by Man-Law, I grant that you may very well be right…………
All I was saying, boiled down, was that if you include all the stuff today that we ingest, we are chemical farms with legs, and no studies can even remotely explain how the hell we survive, not less how the hell we die and why/what caused it (cancer I mean, just an example).
And statistics aside, why do I have 3 neighbors in their 90’s who will, in all probability, outlive ME when they drank like fishes, smoked 3 packs a day and ate meat by the freaking POUND that was FRIED IN LARD for at LEAST 50 years? Genetics is one GUESS I have. But, we don’t