Katie’s Revenge? Or Man Revenge
If you pay attention to the news like a man does — and I know you do because you’re a man, then you’ve heard about the case of poor Anthony Stockelman.
Stockelman is serving a life sentence in Indiana, America for the molestation and murder of a 10 year old girl.
I can only imagine what would have become of him in a prison of women. He probably would have been taught how to knit or how to believe in Tantric yoga or some other bullshit where women just run their fucking mouths for hours on end and then give themselves a medal when they’re done. Stockelman was in a man’s prison though, so he was beaten and tattooed across the forehead with the words KATIE’S REVENGE.
It’s the kind of thing that makes you proud to be a man.
Women have no concept of justice; either making it or dispensing it. Have you ever seen the show Super Nanny? Not one single mother on that show knows what the fuck she’s doing and that is the standard fare when it comes to the household.
Let me ask you a question. Do you let the guy who builds your house decorate it? That burly man, man with the tool belt and the man ass crack? Do you let him or someone who looks like him tidy up after a party? Fucking no. Just because he built the house doesn’t mean he knows shit about cleaning or developing it. Same goes for women and children.
“But, Dick! On those shows it’s always the father not spending enough time at home.”
That’s true. I’m not going to argue with anyone who says men are better than women and that definitely says that. It is the man’s fault the little bastards are out of control. It’s his fault for making money to put food in their bellies instead of teaching them how not to hit. It’s his fault for setting the invaluable example of taking care of man business that makes him too busy to get some children dressed for fucking school. For fuck’s sake.
The point is no woman has ever enacted an appropriate level of justice on anyone who deserved it. It’s like women are missing the organ that tells them when something is cool and when it deserves a rubber-hose beating and forehead tattooing. That gland is either called the brain or the penis. I’m not sure which is funnier.
Whatever happened to that woman who molested all those 13-year-old boys? Debra Lefave? Did she get her forehead tattooed? No because women are cowards.
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October 2nd, 2006 at 10:41 am - IP Man-Hash: ee9f3217dfd51
Dick,
Just to clarify, we’re not defending Stockelman’s actions, correct? I think a woman could accidentally get on here, “read” the first few paragraphs, immediately close the browser window without reading the rest of the story, and proceed to tell all her bitch friends about the guy that supports child molestation.
You’re right though, women do get off too easy for that kind of shit.
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:11 am - IP Man-Hash: 4555637db20cf
I think that’s probably because one in three women is illiterate.
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:16 am - IP Man-Hash: 76cebfba7c181
Anonymous D, I doubt even a woman could be that stupid. But if one is, I hope she’s repulsed and goes away never to return, because I don’t want that level of stupidity polluting this site.
Quoth her father:
Sounds about right to me.
As for Stockelman, even odds he picked up HIV/HCV from the tattoo. I hope not, since I think he deserves to live a long time, and continue to receive monthly or even weekly statements in memory of little Katlyn Collman.
-wolfe
October 2nd, 2006 at 12:34 pm - IP Man-Hash: 6897e3ddf8ad0
Good question, Anonymous D. That’s why women are forbidden to read this site. They will always fuck up the obvious.
-Dick
October 2nd, 2006 at 12:50 pm - IP Man-Hash: 0363c503d25ea
“Whatever happened to that woman who molested all those 13-year-old boys? Debra Lefave? Did she get her forehead tattooed? No because women are cowards.”
i think it was just that one boy? not sure; but yeah they justified it by saying that she had “bipolar disorder” and now she just has to stay home all the time or something like that. america’s whole justice system is fucked.
yeah, thats pretty true…
October 2nd, 2006 at 2:12 pm - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
Or, even more likely, the balls. Nothing quite as manly as acting in righteous outrage.
October 2nd, 2006 at 2:13 pm - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
Exacting revenge, yet another manly activity.
October 2nd, 2006 at 2:23 pm - IP Man-Hash: 4555637db20cf
Quite unlike women, who prefer pointless vindictivenes.
October 2nd, 2006 at 2:29 pm - IP Man-Hash: 6897e3ddf8ad0
If that’s true, it’s because of women.
-Dick
October 2nd, 2006 at 3:01 pm - IP Man-Hash: 4ea5b60c84502
That is great, reminds me. There is an inmate at the prison where I work, he was also charged with child molestation. He went to another inmate to get a dragon tattooed on his back and instead, he recieved a giant flying penis tattoo. Needless to say that inmate will not venture out into general population very often; and is even less likely to remove his shirt during the summer months no matter how hot it gets.
- Oldone
October 2nd, 2006 at 3:18 pm - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
Wolfe, that blog of yours is within inches of drowning in estrogen from the established pink triumvirate of Terriere, Zogamefuto and Femalomaniac. The Pink Sith, no less.
Speaking of whom… Female, the things I’d do to you if I were 20 years and the odd months younger…
October 2nd, 2006 at 3:33 pm - IP Man-Hash: f5b54f2efd032
Yo Oldone, I think it would have been better to tattoo a beautiful woman on his back so when he gets his medicine delivered by the inmates they won’t even have to use a porno mag.
Efficiency is another man-virtue.
October 2nd, 2006 at 4:22 pm - IP Man-Hash: 0363c503d25ea
i can never quite understand how, lets say, person A would do something and get 8 yrs then person B does the same and gets 25 yrs or something. some people are just good with getting people feeling sorry for them. or have enough $$ to get a better lawyer… not fair, but hey i guess life’s not fair. and everyone nowadays just pleads insanity. for heaven’s sake… its all fucked up. and no dick, not because of women.
October 2nd, 2006 at 4:27 pm - IP Man-Hash: 4ea5b60c84502
Actually it is due to feminazis and extreme left wing nuts…just my opinion
October 2nd, 2006 at 4:33 pm - IP Man-Hash: 106cd8edc7867
Actually you stupid cunt it is because of women. Your own mother should be proof of that. But you’re different right? Hahaha, wait till puberty is fully developed.
October 2nd, 2006 at 4:39 pm - IP Man-Hash: 0363c503d25ea
haha, i can see that.
October 3rd, 2006 at 11:29 am - IP Man-Hash: 60b660aafc3e4
“Actually it is due to feminazis and extreme left wing nuts…just my opinion”
In other words, women.
October 3rd, 2006 at 11:34 am - IP Man-Hash: 3a4d93f9f5908
http://media.putfile.com/Women–Know-Your-Limits
October 3rd, 2006 at 2:09 pm - IP Man-Hash: de80f6173485b
Maybe the reason that women don’t tattoo crude remarks onto peoples foreheads is because they have more self control and are more civilised.
It doesn’t take a lot of courage to stick a needle in someones face.
October 3rd, 2006 at 2:33 pm - IP Man-Hash: 6897e3ddf8ad0
Ray, you’re more obviously a woman than Female. And she can’t even spell.
-Dick
October 3rd, 2006 at 2:41 pm - IP Man-Hash: de80f6173485b
Ah, ofcourse, because when i think ‘woman’ i think ‘illiterate’
October 3rd, 2006 at 6:39 pm - IP Man-Hash: 76cebfba7c181
For a woman, perhaps not, because she’s protected. For men in prison, it’s the law of the jungle, and sticking a needle into the wrong face means extreme consequences.
Truer words were ne’er spoken.
That’s the spirit!
For your edification:
-wolfe
October 4th, 2006 at 10:08 am - IP Man-Hash: de80f6173485b
Ah yes, but the majority rules. Maybe if ONE man stuck a needle into the ‘wrong man’s’ face while he was sleeping.
yeah, that would be courageous, stupid, but courageous.
But ganging up on a defenseless newcomer, with a weapon, with people holding him down.
that’s not.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:16 am - IP Man-Hash: 16deeb4d04893
Ray? Have you ever been to prison? It’s not about courage, its more about SURVIVING. Law of the jungle and all that. Nobody cares about courage in there, courage gets you killed. Thats why prisoners are put in a cage. Because society considers most of them to be animals that need to be “rehabilitated”.
-Strength and Honor-
October 4th, 2006 at 5:44 pm - IP Man-Hash: 47282aa9c8980
I understand that you would prefer women not to be on your website, but I’ve also noticed that you engage in dialogue over you message boards with women frequently. I just wanted to post a note of concern. I live in Pennsylvania where a man has just shot several small girls execution style. Sadley, it is not the first or last time that a grown man has singled out girls as victims (e.g. the colorado high school gunman, the massacre at l’ecole polytechnique, etc.). My worry is that websites like yours, which do not just proclaim male strengths, but actually encourage hatred of women as a gender, promote the kind of anger/confusion/hatred that is exemplified in this man’s actions (Charles Carl Roberts IV).
I wonder what kinds of personal experiences you men have encountered to lead to such hatred of women. I have spent some time looking over your articles about how women do not raise children correctly, do not take care of finances or enjoy sex the way that you do, and are not as educated worldwide as men (illiteracy rates). It is difficult for me as a woman to relate to these as actual infractions by my gender. Then again, I suppose that it is difficult for you as men to accept the infractions that are charged against you everyday by the world community: rape as a tool of war, domestic violence, assault, exploitation of women through human trafficking and many many other indescribable horrors that I hope never touch your mothers’, sisters’, or daughters’ lives.
Just a word of concern.
October 4th, 2006 at 6:09 pm - IP Man-Hash: 0363c503d25ea
its horrible - this chain of violent acts on school grounds recently. last year we had 2 particular kids with a hitlist and a notebook filled with plans on who to shoot, what to do after, etc. joking around about that is wrong, but the scary thing is that it wasnt a joke. thankfully they were caught. it’s definately scary. i mean, who would’ve thought an amish schoolhouse in pennsylvania would have to go through such a thing? no one.
October 4th, 2006 at 6:10 pm - IP Man-Hash: 0363c503d25ea
and the most ironic part is the name of the town- paradise.
October 4th, 2006 at 6:19 pm - IP Man-Hash: 0d17ac160ff85
Ah yes, but the majority rules. Maybe if ONE man stuck a needle into the ‘wrong man’s’ face while he was sleeping.
yeah, that would be courageous, stupid, but courageous.
But ganging up on a defenseless newcomer, with a weapon, with people holding him down.
that’s not.
From his comments, I think something happened to Ray in the past.
Toughen up, pal. Just because shit hit you doesn’t mean you have to become some collectivist, beta-male jerk off.
Get some balls. And stop bitching like some broad.
October 4th, 2006 at 6:23 pm - IP Man-Hash: 0363c503d25ea
^ ray is a female
October 4th, 2006 at 6:38 pm - IP Man-Hash: 76cebfba7c181
This website does not promote or encourage hatred of women. Quite the contrary. The act of esteeming one thing as superior to another does not require one to view the inferior thing negatively in any absolute sense.
The truth is painful.
Bad indeed, but committed by a tiny minority of men. Contrast with the number of illiterate women globally. Indeed, contrast with the likely greater number of women who make false accusations of rape, and other crimes.
Generally initiated by women, and men are the number one victims of violence (domestic and otherwise). Check out ‘lesbian’ DV stats sometime.
See DV, see false crime reports.
Bad indeed, but again, a tiny minority of evil men. Compare to the number of women who’ve victimized and abused children.
I find it interesting that you choose to contrast things that the vast majority of women are guilty of with things that only a tiny and contemptible minority of men do. I have no hesitation in condemning DV, rape, human trafficking and other crimes. It seems your stance on female misdeeds is at best neutral if not dismissive.
Regards,
-wolfe
October 4th, 2006 at 8:50 pm - IP Man-Hash: 47282aa9c8980
In response to Wolfe:
(1) I think, as you can imagine, that it offends me individually (and likely women as a group) that supporters of this website are so thoroughly convinced of male gender superiority over every individual female in existence (never mind women as a gender). While there are many women who are illiterate globally (in part because of discrimination in educating girls; see UNESCO), there are also women like myself with doctorate degrees who are more educated than many of the men who comment on this website. I will not go into the ways in which individual women may also excel in childcare, financial stability, actively pursuing justice, and some of the other areas that you discuss on the website.
(2) Furthermore, I believe that you are correct in stating that labeling a group as inferior does not necessarily equate to hating that group. I value fitness, for example, and therefore make judgements about individuals being more or less fit. On the other hand, these judgements about what is better or worse do not involve patronizing, berating, or badmouthing individuals with are less fit than I am (for example). The repetitive use of calling women “whores,” “cunts,” and “idiots,” among other things on this website does appear to be a strong emotional response that I would label hatred.
(3) I do not agree that only a minority of men are involved in sexually harassing and assaulting women. That is not what I personally would conclude from experience or my graduate training. However, it would be difficult (I’m sure) to convince you that these are widespread occurrences, because women are often silent about them and because you (as a man) have not experienced them.
(4) Lastly, I do think that the things that you call “female misdeeds” are also important issues. I certainly did not mean to dismiss them. I think that literacy, childcare, enjoying sex, and taking care of finances are very important. I think that looking into REAL reasons why these issues are difficult for women (bad education systems, a history of men doing the financial calculations, a work system that does not help working men or women have time for their children, etc.) is more important than attacking people based on their gender or name-calling.
I hope that wasn’t too much of a diatribe, but I thought your response was well thought out and I didn’t want to ignore it.
October 4th, 2006 at 10:40 pm - IP Man-Hash: 0b1f020c5fe62
Concerned said:
In response to Wolfe:
(1) I think, as you can imagine, that it offends me individually (and likely women as a group) that supporters of this website are so thoroughly convinced of male gender superiority over every individual female in existence (never mind women as a gender). While there are many women who are illiterate globally (in part because of discrimination in educating girls; see UNESCO), there are also women like myself with doctorate degrees who are more educated than many of the men who comment on this website. I will not go into the ways in which individual women may also excel in childcare, financial stability, actively pursuing justice, and some of the other areas that you discuss on the website.
–Ahh, yes an educated woman! You even put your “essay” into different sections that are numbered! I am surprised! Well M. Concerned let me “enlighten” you as to the other side of the tale. Demographically speaking, I am a LCM or lower class male, depending upon which book you read. Despite that I am a self-educated Man. What I find despicable, is the fact that a society that is almost entirely supported by Men (taxes and such) refuses to recognise the problems of the Male population at all. Suicide, death, health care, fatherlessness ect ect. It’s abborent to me that women such as yourself (with such a “high” education) fail to even see or acknowledge anything that has to do with the Male gender, and instead focus on the fact that you’re educated. All the while trying to infer that in some way you’re “smarter” than the small group here, by saying that you’re “educated” in some way.
– You refuse to go “into” the ways that women can achieve such things because they go against the grain of your idea of “equality”. They must be provided help whilst many Men are left to their own devices.-
(2) Furthermore, I believe that you are correct in stating that labeling a group as inferior does not necessarily equate to hating that group. I value fitness, for example, and therefore make judgements about individuals being more or less fit. On the other hand, these judgements about what is better or worse do not involve patronizing, berating, or badmouthing individuals with are less fit than I am (for example). The repetitive use of calling women “whores,” “cunts,” and “idiots,” among other things on this website does appear to be a strong emotional response that I would label hatred.
–You’ve just described feminism, deal with it.–
(3) I do not agree that only a minority of men are involved in sexually harassing and assaulting women. That is not what I personally would conclude from experience or my graduate training. However, it would be difficult (I’m sure) to convince you that these are widespread occurrences, because women are often silent about them and because you (as a man) have not experienced them.
–My question would be, how many of your classes involved Men being sexually assualted? I am sure that many Men are just as quiet about being sexually assualted, however that doesn’t recieve federal funding nor political interest. What say you?–
(4) Lastly, I do think that the things that you call “female misdeeds” are also important issues. I certainly did not mean to dismiss them. I think that literacy, childcare, enjoying sex, and taking care of finances are very important. I think that looking into REAL reasons why these issues are difficult for women (bad education systems, a history of men doing the financial calculations, a work system that does not help working men or women have time for their children, etc.) is more important than attacking people based on their gender or name-calling.
–But dismiss them you do Concerned, its in your nature, you’re a woman after all. Men doing financial calculations? Who else would do it? Have you ever seen a woman with a credit card? They all think that it’s free money! Other than that, honestly I think you need to stop going to school and try to live live amongst us “serfs”.–
@wolfe- Sorry but I had to reply.
-Strength and Honor-
October 5th, 2006 at 12:06 am - IP Man-Hash: 76cebfba7c181
NP, abaddon, you responded politely to her, and that’s good. I will respond at length to her tomorrow. Her point 3 is particularly pernicious, but at least she’s not one of the typical foul-mouthed women that swarm this site.
Your points, as always, are well stated.
-wolfe
October 5th, 2006 at 2:27 am - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
Nutters with guns running amok shooting kids? Tough luck, babe.
You’ve the NRA, crooked legislatures (both state side and federal level), dumb fucking piss-ass lax and murderous special interest group legislation, crooked resellers and distribution networks that knowingly and flagrantly shite on the law, both state side and federal level, whilst there being nothing local police or ATF or any-fucking-body can do about it because of the very aims of legislation pushed to mitigate such shit and make it impossible to prosecute or even disband gun shops that have been ruled legally on to be flagrantly illegal in their business practices.
Not to even mention some of the shit laws NRA keeps trying to pull and has already pulled, or rather pushed, is in flagrant violation of the principle of law of non backwards applicability, or whatever it’s called.
Then you’ve also got that law of yours they passed in Florida, that negates any investigation or inquiry (let alone prosecution, mind boggling, isn’t it?) WHATSOEVER into shootings, stabbings, whatever unless provided the individual in cause felt reasonably threatened and subjective-duely acted in consequence.
That’s pure libertarianism humping an insane gun culture. Deal with it come next elections, oh ye fit suffragette.
October 5th, 2006 at 2:30 am - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
Oh, and of course it’s all mens’ fault world wide cause some cranked up nutter’s bubble suddenly burst.
October 5th, 2006 at 8:49 am - IP Man-Hash: 53c6959990f7f
A male teacher in Pell Alabama was sentenced to 25 years for 2nd degree statutory rape of a 15 year old.
Debra LeFave and other women get 3 months probation and maybe house arrest for the same thing.
Women have run amok in this country and our government is doing almost nothing to stop it.
Legalized killing of their children in the millions, denying men any choice in reproductive matters besides abstinance, unequal sentencing for the same criems, affirmative action, lopsided research spending on female related illnesses, men dying 7 years earlier, 95pct of work related deaths are male, 86 percent of suicides are male and Ms. Concerned is concerned about what effect our little space of the internet has on people.
Listen sugar tits, there is a lot of male anger out there. Most men don’t even know they have it. They watch TV and see how they are represented as animals, commercials represent them as idiots, T-shirts say they are dumb and almost everything “effects women worse” and yet…you still think you are oppressed.
Men are being denied in every way possible, emotional support, financial support, reproductive support, marital support etc.
In what way can we make a females life even better you ask? HAHAHA.
You havent’ seen anything yet sugar britches.
October 5th, 2006 at 2:32 pm - IP Man-Hash: 47282aa9c8980
In response to James (who exemplifies the kind of hate-mongering and name-calling I described earlier by calling me “sugar tits”):
I just want to agree with you that men are represented in tv as animals, idiots, and worse than women in these respects. I think that men are denied emotional support, have high suicide rates (and alcoholism), and I may agree with you about reproductive choices being limited for men also (but I am not sure that I want to agree with everything that you imply by that statement). I think these things are horrible and disgusting. I feel that men are certainly oppressed in this way by our culture. What do you think could be done to change it? I don’t think that calling women names (or suggesting that women aren’t also oppressed in other ways) will make the situation better for men.
In response to abaddon_f:
(1)I did not put the focus on whether or not I am educated. This website did, by pointing to the fact that women have a higher illiteracy rate to suggest that they are somehow stupid or lazy.
(2)I do not think that men’s problems are not important. I simply do not think that their problems are any more or less important than women’s problems. In fact, I believe that the two problems (men’s and women’s) are integrally tied together.
(3)I can’t respond to what you said about me “just having defined feminism,” because I’m not sure that I understand what you are referring to.
(4)I have worked with male patients who are sexually assaulted. They primarily tend to be young children molested by sexual predators in their families or sexual minority youth who are assaulted in their neighborhoods. I agree that they are even less likely to speak about these heinous acts than girls. There is also less research in this area precisely for that reason. Thankfully, the women’s movement has brought about some understanding of these issues. In fact in my geographic area the only organizations that provide services (like medical care, therapy, and self defense classes) specifically for MEN who have suffered assault are WOMEN’S organizations like WAR (women against rape). There is a need for more men to be involved in this work.
(5)I own many credit cards. Have great credit, and manage all of my own finances. In addition, while I may not “live among you serfs” as you put it (because I am educated? or because I am a woman?), I do work day in and day out providing services to underserved youths and families and I am touched in a personal way every day by the challenges that they face.
October 5th, 2006 at 2:56 pm - IP Man-Hash: 47282aa9c8980
Sonyad, I did not respond to you directly, because I’m not sure what your whole response was really saying. I will say, in response to your second comment, that I do not think it is “all men’s fault” that that man shot girls at the school in Lancaster. I am simply concerned that what contributes to that sort of action is an environment that does not value girls (like the environment on this website which repeatedly suggests that girls are inferior to boys). That is all.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:16 pm - IP Man-Hash: fecff644282fd
Concerned, you sound like a reasonable person, and you may be the except to the rule…but nothing you have said changes anything really, except that you did it with some amount of class and without attacking the penis.
I value education, as an Architect, I enjoy intelligent chats (even tho my spelling really sucks sometimes!)
So-
As for the shootings, hell ya its very, very sad and the fucker should be punished. But your blaming the wrong people and sites like this do not fuel the anger, thats like saying heavy metal music makes you kill people.
Truth is these guys are losing thier minds, they are so fucking beside themselves with grief of their fucked up situation and women are almost always at the center of that pain… so it makes perfect sense that they should attack a female.
Rape is a hate crime, not a sexual one. If they cant rape them, they kill them. The problem is not just because hes a man, its the one sided bullshit that men face in our daily lives.
Women keep taking and taking from us, then they wonder why we get so angry. Men see things in black and white, fair or unfair, wrong and right. And we get really pissed when a female comes along and screw this up with nothing more than a “feeling”. Then the fucking courts actually support these feelings despite the facts.
Im not defending anyone who rapes or kills women, but you need to understand the truth about why these guys are doing it… put simply, they no longer have the abilitly to control their anger. They feel they are in a losing situation and they dont know what to do.
As a victim of a broken home (who isnt), I saw first hand what my step father went thru for his 2 boys. He got the shaft from the courts, like most men do, including me (but thats another story). He was so angry, he would actually follow her, found her at a bar one night and started a big fight. He ended up punching out a very good friend of his.
Point is he was ready to do whatever he had to for his boys, and I bet if my mom didnt decide to give up the boys, he would have killed her… not just because he hated her for taking his kids, but also for the unfair treatment he got from our court system.
It leaves a man with the feeling of hopelessness, and that is something men just cant deal with. Men are born and bred to be problem solvers, we excell at it, so when were faced with this sort of thing…. we lost it.
To make it worse, women just keep asking for more… they will never be satisfied and men are starting to see it. This is why they act out, they feel thier is no other choice.
Dutch~
October 5th, 2006 at 3:41 pm - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
God have mercy on our souls. Another social worker.
Broadly, you’re attitude is:
“You’re perfectly right, and I’m even admitting it. But it doesn’t matter squat and nothing should be done about. But this hate mongering site just has to go. You are not intitled to your own opinion or free speech.
Oh, how infinitely oppressed we are!”
October 5th, 2006 at 3:48 pm - IP Man-Hash: 0d17ac160ff85
Hmm. I think what Dutch said as very insightful.
There’s not a lot of work being done in this field (if any, unlike the case of every little fucking problem affecting women) so he’s speaking from experience. To me that’s better than rhyming off some propaganda, as well know others are prone to do.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:31 pm - IP Man-Hash: fecff644282fd
Thanks Bill, I hope Sonyad wasnt talking to me…hehe.. but if he was its cool too.
Your right, as far as I know there isnt any work done in this field at all, thanks for seeing that. When I tell people what I think, only a few understand it for what it is, and that is no official stand has been taken to understand why men are so fucking angry…. everyone simply blames it on testosterone.
Yet look at all the damn women support out there, they got everyone all concerned for womens feelings and nobody but FUCKING NOBODY gives a rats fucking ass how the man feels when you FUCKING TAKE HIS FUCKING KIDS AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 5th, 2006 at 4:37 pm - IP Man-Hash: 47282aa9c8980
Sonyad-
I think that people’s comments on this site could be useful for sharing frustrations that men experience and building community for men. I’m not knocking those aspects of the site. Some of the comments that I’ve seen posted are insightful and the responses to my comments have been addressed mostly politely. I respect THAT KIND of discourse. I appreciate that people have considered what I had to said and I respect different points of view (so, I am not in fact against freedom of speech). I especially appreciate it when people (men or women) advocate to get their needs met. Such as Dutch focusing on how fathers’ needs after divorce are not being met. However, that doesn’t change the overall message of the website which focuses primarily on devaluing women and using disrespect such as name-calling towards directed at half of the population. That is what I am talking about. I don’t think you have actually addressed how using those kinds of words to describe women actually “does something about” problems. I would think that it actually creates problems. I don’t wish it be BANNED or anything like that. I just respectfully feel that it is hurtful and possibly harmful. I hope that you can see the difference between that and being against freedom of speech or not caring about men’s concerns.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:38 pm - IP Man-Hash: 47282aa9c8980
. . .and I am not a social worker.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:54 pm - IP Man-Hash: c7a298151bcdd
concerned, your posts make complete sense and are well put. i esp. agree with you on the part “this site could be useful for sharing frustrations that men experience and building community for men”.
October 5th, 2006 at 4:55 pm - IP Man-Hash: 47282aa9c8980
Dutch-
I’d just like to say that after reading your response, I really felt moved by the kinds of pain and anger that you have suggested lead men to enact violence on women. I’m guessing that you were not implying in anyway that these men’s actions are excusable. I also come from a somewhat “broken” home, and I related to the difficulties that your father had after the divorce, because I think that my father also had difficulty maintaining a strong relationship with me after my parents divorced.
I’m eager to hear what you think of this opinion: In general, I feel that our culture really denies men many opportunities to be involved and present in their children’s lives (not just divorced men). Expectations of financial productivity and emotional distance are just two ways that I can think of that make it SO much more likely that when I see a parent at the hospital (where I work) with their family, it is 85% of the time a mother–or that the parent at a teacher meeting is a mother—etc.
I think this separation leads to anger and pain for women and men. (1)It means that both girls and boys may grow up with an absent father (due to divorce or work issues, etc). (2) It means that women may feel pain or anger towards men because they feel alone as parents, especially when bad things happen to their children (e.g. cancer, trauma, etc.). (3)Your comment makes me that think that this aspect of our culture (i.e., a belief that women are the “nurturers” or “breeders” and men are not important in children’s lives) leads to pain and anguish in men who wish they could be closer with their children, and that this pain and anguish is sometimes directed towards women.
I can’t imagine the kind of challenge it is to feel seperated from children in that way. I think families (both men and women) have a responsibility to do what is best for their children and that “what is best” is having caring parents be part of their kids’ lives in REAL ways.