In response to James (who exemplifies the kind of hate-mongering and name-calling I described earlier by calling me “sugar tits”):

I just want to agree with you that men are represented in tv as animals, idiots, and worse than women in these respects. I think that men are denied emotional support, have high suicide rates (and alcoholism), and I may agree with you about reproductive choices being limited for men also (but I am not sure that I want to agree with everything that you imply by that statement). I think these things are horrible and disgusting. I feel that men are certainly oppressed in this way by our culture. What do you think could be done to change it? I don’t think that calling women names (or suggesting that women aren’t also oppressed in other ways) will make the situation better for men.

In response to abaddon_f:
(1)I did not put the focus on whether or not I am educated. This website did, by pointing to the fact that women have a higher illiteracy rate to suggest that they are somehow stupid or lazy.
(2)I do not think that men’s problems are not important. I simply do not think that their problems are any more or less important than women’s problems. In fact, I believe that the two problems (men’s and women’s) are integrally tied together.
(3)I can’t respond to what you said about me “just having defined feminism,” because I’m not sure that I understand what you are referring to.
(4)I have worked with male patients who are sexually assaulted. They primarily tend to be young children molested by sexual predators in their families or sexual minority youth who are assaulted in their neighborhoods. I agree that they are even less likely to speak about these heinous acts than girls. There is also less research in this area precisely for that reason. Thankfully, the women’s movement has brought about some understanding of these issues. In fact in my geographic area the only organizations that provide services (like medical care, therapy, and self defense classes) specifically for MEN who have suffered assault are WOMEN’S organizations like WAR (women against rape). There is a need for more men to be involved in this work.
(5)I own many credit cards. Have great credit, and manage all of my own finances. In addition, while I may not “live among you serfs” as you put it (because I am educated? or because I am a woman?), I do work day in and day out providing services to underserved youths and families and I am touched in a personal way every day by the challenges that they face.

A male teacher in Pell Alabama was sentenced to 25 years for 2nd degree statutory rape of a 15 year old.

Debra LeFave and other women get 3 months probation and maybe house arrest for the same thing.

Women have run amok in this country and our government is doing almost nothing to stop it.

Legalized killing of their children in the millions, denying men any choice in reproductive matters besides abstinance, unequal sentencing for the same criems, affirmative action, lopsided research spending on female related illnesses, men dying 7 years earlier, 95pct of work related deaths are male, 86 percent of suicides are male and Ms. Concerned is concerned about what effect our little space of the internet has on people.

Listen sugar tits, there is a lot of male anger out there. Most men don’t even know they have it. They watch TV and see how they are represented as animals, commercials represent them as idiots, T-shirts say they are dumb and almost everything “effects women worse” and yet…you still think you are oppressed.

Men are being denied in every way possible, emotional support, financial support, reproductive support, marital support etc.

In what way can we make a females life even better you ask? HAHAHA.

You havent’ seen anything yet sugar britches.

Oh, and of course it’s all mens’ fault world wide cause some cranked up nutter’s bubble suddenly burst.

Nutters with guns running amok shooting kids? Tough luck, babe.

You’ve the NRA, crooked legislatures (both state side and federal level), dumb fucking piss-ass lax and murderous special interest group legislation, crooked resellers and distribution networks that knowingly and flagrantly shite on the law, both state side and federal level, whilst there being nothing local police or ATF or any-fucking-body can do about it because of the very aims of legislation pushed to mitigate such shit and make it impossible to prosecute or even disband gun shops that have been ruled legally on to be flagrantly illegal in their business practices.

Not to even mention some of the shit laws NRA keeps trying to pull and has already pulled, or rather pushed, is in flagrant violation of the principle of law of non backwards applicability, or whatever it’s called.

Then you’ve also got that law of yours they passed in Florida, that negates any investigation or inquiry (let alone prosecution, mind boggling, isn’t it?) WHATSOEVER into shootings, stabbings, whatever unless provided the individual in cause felt reasonably threatened and subjective-duely acted in consequence.

That’s pure libertarianism humping an insane gun culture. Deal with it come next elections, oh ye fit suffragette.

NP, abaddon, you responded politely to her, and that’s good. I will respond at length to her tomorrow. Her point 3 is particularly pernicious, but at least she’s not one of the typical foul-mouthed women that swarm this site.

Your points, as always, are well stated.

-wolfe

Concerned said:

In response to Wolfe:

(1) I think, as you can imagine, that it offends me individually (and likely women as a group) that supporters of this website are so thoroughly convinced of male gender superiority over every individual female in existence (never mind women as a gender). While there are many women who are illiterate globally (in part because of discrimination in educating girls; see UNESCO), there are also women like myself with doctorate degrees who are more educated than many of the men who comment on this website. I will not go into the ways in which individual women may also excel in childcare, financial stability, actively pursuing justice, and some of the other areas that you discuss on the website.

–Ahh, yes an educated woman! You even put your “essay” into different sections that are numbered! I am surprised! Well M. Concerned let me “enlighten” you as to the other side of the tale. Demographically speaking, I am a LCM or lower class male, depending upon which book you read. Despite that I am a self-educated Man. What I find despicable, is the fact that a society that is almost entirely supported by Men (taxes and such) refuses to recognise the problems of the Male population at all. Suicide, death, health care, fatherlessness ect ect. It’s abborent to me that women such as yourself (with such a “high” education) fail to even see or acknowledge anything that has to do with the Male gender, and instead focus on the fact that you’re educated. All the while trying to infer that in some way you’re “smarter” than the small group here, by saying that you’re “educated” in some way.

– You refuse to go “into” the ways that women can achieve such things because they go against the grain of your idea of “equality”. They must be provided help whilst many Men are left to their own devices.-

(2) Furthermore, I believe that you are correct in stating that labeling a group as inferior does not necessarily equate to hating that group. I value fitness, for example, and therefore make judgements about individuals being more or less fit. On the other hand, these judgements about what is better or worse do not involve patronizing, berating, or badmouthing individuals with are less fit than I am (for example). The repetitive use of calling women “whores,” “cunts,” and “idiots,” among other things on this website does appear to be a strong emotional response that I would label hatred.

–You’ve just described feminism, deal with it.–

(3) I do not agree that only a minority of men are involved in sexually harassing and assaulting women. That is not what I personally would conclude from experience or my graduate training. However, it would be difficult (I’m sure) to convince you that these are widespread occurrences, because women are often silent about them and because you (as a man) have not experienced them.

–My question would be, how many of your classes involved Men being sexually assualted? I am sure that many Men are just as quiet about being sexually assualted, however that doesn’t recieve federal funding nor political interest. What say you?–

(4) Lastly, I do think that the things that you call “female misdeeds” are also important issues. I certainly did not mean to dismiss them. I think that literacy, childcare, enjoying sex, and taking care of finances are very important. I think that looking into REAL reasons why these issues are difficult for women (bad education systems, a history of men doing the financial calculations, a work system that does not help working men or women have time for their children, etc.) is more important than attacking people based on their gender or name-calling.

–But dismiss them you do Concerned, its in your nature, you’re a woman after all. Men doing financial calculations? Who else would do it? Have you ever seen a woman with a credit card? They all think that it’s free money! Other than that, honestly I think you need to stop going to school and try to live live amongst us “serfs”.–

@wolfe- Sorry but I had to reply.

-Strength and Honor-

In response to Wolfe:

(1) I think, as you can imagine, that it offends me individually (and likely women as a group) that supporters of this website are so thoroughly convinced of male gender superiority over every individual female in existence (never mind women as a gender). While there are many women who are illiterate globally (in part because of discrimination in educating girls; see UNESCO), there are also women like myself with doctorate degrees who are more educated than many of the men who comment on this website. I will not go into the ways in which individual women may also excel in childcare, financial stability, actively pursuing justice, and some of the other areas that you discuss on the website.

(2) Furthermore, I believe that you are correct in stating that labeling a group as inferior does not necessarily equate to hating that group. I value fitness, for example, and therefore make judgements about individuals being more or less fit. On the other hand, these judgements about what is better or worse do not involve patronizing, berating, or badmouthing individuals with are less fit than I am (for example). The repetitive use of calling women “whores,” “cunts,” and “idiots,” among other things on this website does appear to be a strong emotional response that I would label hatred.

(3) I do not agree that only a minority of men are involved in sexually harassing and assaulting women. That is not what I personally would conclude from experience or my graduate training. However, it would be difficult (I’m sure) to convince you that these are widespread occurrences, because women are often silent about them and because you (as a man) have not experienced them.

(4) Lastly, I do think that the things that you call “female misdeeds” are also important issues. I certainly did not mean to dismiss them. I think that literacy, childcare, enjoying sex, and taking care of finances are very important. I think that looking into REAL reasons why these issues are difficult for women (bad education systems, a history of men doing the financial calculations, a work system that does not help working men or women have time for their children, etc.) is more important than attacking people based on their gender or name-calling.

I hope that wasn’t too much of a diatribe, but I thought your response was well thought out and I didn’t want to ignore it.

Concerned said:
My worry is that websites like yours, which do not just proclaim male strengths, but actually encourage hatred of women as a gender

This website does not promote or encourage hatred of women. Quite the contrary. The act of esteeming one thing as superior to another does not require one to view the inferior thing negatively in any absolute sense.

[list of things women do badly]It is difficult for me as a woman to relate to these as actual infractions by my gender.

The truth is painful.

Then again, I suppose that it is difficult for you as men to accept the infractions that are charged against you everyday by the world community: rape as a tool of war,

Bad indeed, but committed by a tiny minority of men. Contrast with the number of illiterate women globally. Indeed, contrast with the likely greater number of women who make false accusations of rape, and other crimes.

domestic violence,

Generally initiated by women, and men are the number one victims of violence (domestic and otherwise). Check out ‘lesbian’ DV stats sometime.

assault,

See DV, see false crime reports.

exploitation of women through human trafficking

Bad indeed, but again, a tiny minority of evil men. Compare to the number of women who’ve victimized and abused children.

I find it interesting that you choose to contrast things that the vast majority of women are guilty of with things that only a tiny and contemptible minority of men do. I have no hesitation in condemning DV, rape, human trafficking and other crimes. It seems your stance on female misdeeds is at best neutral if not dismissive.

Regards,
-wolfe

^ ray is a female

Ray said:

wolfe said:

For a woman, perhaps not, because she’s protected. For men in prison, it’s the law of the jungle, and sticking a needle into the wrong face means extreme consequences.

Ah yes, but the majority rules. Maybe if ONE man stuck a needle into the ‘wrong man’s’ face while he was sleeping.
yeah, that would be courageous, stupid, but courageous.
But ganging up on a defenseless newcomer, with a weapon, with people holding him down.
that’s not.

From his comments, I think something happened to Ray in the past.
Toughen up, pal. Just because shit hit you doesn’t mean you have to become some collectivist, beta-male jerk off.
Get some balls. And stop bitching like some broad.

and the most ironic part is the name of the town- paradise.

its horrible - this chain of violent acts on school grounds recently. last year we had 2 particular kids with a hitlist and a notebook filled with plans on who to shoot, what to do after, etc. joking around about that is wrong, but the scary thing is that it wasnt a joke. thankfully they were caught. it’s definately scary. i mean, who would’ve thought an amish schoolhouse in pennsylvania would have to go through such a thing? no one.

I understand that you would prefer women not to be on your website, but I’ve also noticed that you engage in dialogue over you message boards with women frequently. I just wanted to post a note of concern. I live in Pennsylvania where a man has just shot several small girls execution style. Sadley, it is not the first or last time that a grown man has singled out girls as victims (e.g. the colorado high school gunman, the massacre at l’ecole polytechnique, etc.). My worry is that websites like yours, which do not just proclaim male strengths, but actually encourage hatred of women as a gender, promote the kind of anger/confusion/hatred that is exemplified in this man’s actions (Charles Carl Roberts IV).

I wonder what kinds of personal experiences you men have encountered to lead to such hatred of women. I have spent some time looking over your articles about how women do not raise children correctly, do not take care of finances or enjoy sex the way that you do, and are not as educated worldwide as men (illiteracy rates). It is difficult for me as a woman to relate to these as actual infractions by my gender. Then again, I suppose that it is difficult for you as men to accept the infractions that are charged against you everyday by the world community: rape as a tool of war, domestic violence, assault, exploitation of women through human trafficking and many many other indescribable horrors that I hope never touch your mothers’, sisters’, or daughters’ lives.

Just a word of concern.

Ray? Have you ever been to prison? It’s not about courage, its more about SURVIVING. Law of the jungle and all that. Nobody cares about courage in there, courage gets you killed. Thats why prisoners are put in a cage. Because society considers most of them to be animals that need to be “rehabilitated”.

-Strength and Honor-

wolfe said:

For a woman, perhaps not, because she’s protected. For men in prison, it’s the law of the jungle, and sticking a needle into the wrong face means extreme consequences.

Ah yes, but the majority rules. Maybe if ONE man stuck a needle into the ‘wrong man’s’ face while he was sleeping.
yeah, that would be courageous, stupid, but courageous.
But ganging up on a defenseless newcomer, with a weapon, with people holding him down.
that’s not.

Ray said:
It doesn’t take a lot of courage to stick a needle in someones [sic] face.

For a woman, perhaps not, because she’s protected. For men in prison, it’s the law of the jungle, and sticking a needle into the wrong face means extreme consequences.

Dick Masterson said:
Ray, you’re more obviously a woman than Female.

Truer words were ne’er spoken.

Ray said:
Ah, ofcourse, [sic] because when i [sic] think ‘woman’ [sic] i [sic] think ‘illiterate’ [sic]

That’s the spirit!

For your edification:

Ah, of course, because when I think ‘woman’, I think ‘illiterate’.

-wolfe

Ah, ofcourse, because when i think ‘woman’ i think ‘illiterate’

Ray, you’re more obviously a woman than Female. And she can’t even spell.

-Dick

Maybe the reason that women don’t tattoo crude remarks onto peoples foreheads is because they have more self control and are more civilised.
It doesn’t take a lot of courage to stick a needle in someones face.

http://media.putfile.com/Women–Know-Your-Limits