Katie’s Revenge? Or Man Revenge
If you pay attention to the news like a man does — and I know you do because you’re a man, then you’ve heard about the case of poor Anthony Stockelman.
Stockelman is serving a life sentence in Indiana, America for the molestation and murder of a 10 year old girl.
I can only imagine what would have become of him in a prison of women. He probably would have been taught how to knit or how to believe in Tantric yoga or some other bullshit where women just run their fucking mouths for hours on end and then give themselves a medal when they’re done. Stockelman was in a man’s prison though, so he was beaten and tattooed across the forehead with the words KATIE’S REVENGE.
It’s the kind of thing that makes you proud to be a man.
Women have no concept of justice; either making it or dispensing it. Have you ever seen the show Super Nanny? Not one single mother on that show knows what the fuck she’s doing and that is the standard fare when it comes to the household.
Let me ask you a question. Do you let the guy who builds your house decorate it? That burly man, man with the tool belt and the man ass crack? Do you let him or someone who looks like him tidy up after a party? Fucking no. Just because he built the house doesn’t mean he knows shit about cleaning or developing it. Same goes for women and children.
“But, Dick! On those shows it’s always the father not spending enough time at home.”
That’s true. I’m not going to argue with anyone who says men are better than women and that definitely says that. It is the man’s fault the little bastards are out of control. It’s his fault for making money to put food in their bellies instead of teaching them how not to hit. It’s his fault for setting the invaluable example of taking care of man business that makes him too busy to get some children dressed for fucking school. For fuck’s sake.
The point is no woman has ever enacted an appropriate level of justice on anyone who deserved it. It’s like women are missing the organ that tells them when something is cool and when it deserves a rubber-hose beating and forehead tattooing. That gland is either called the brain or the penis. I’m not sure which is funnier.
Whatever happened to that woman who molested all those 13-year-old boys? Debra Lefave? Did she get her forehead tattooed? No because women are cowards.
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October 10th, 2006 at 4:38 pm - IP Man-Hash: 47282aa9c8980
@sonyad- I hope you had as much fun writing that (114-117), as I did reading it! Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
October 10th, 2006 at 7:37 pm - IP Man-Hash: bd8fe0c80119e
Concerned said:
In response to Abaddon-
Wow, these comments were very helpful to me actually. I found a few things particularly interesting and useful in understanding your point of view a little better.
1) I’m so astounded actually that you agree with me on this point. The site is misleading. It suggests that men here see things as one-way with women merely causing problems for men, and not actually having any issues of their own (only lying to pretend that they have problems). I think it is encouraging that you believe that “women’s and men’s problems are integrally tied together.” The idea that these issues are tied together (for example, women feeling that they are treated as sex objects and men feeling that they are treated as sex predators) does seem like a pretty simple thought, but I think that it implies that if you care more about CHANGE than BLAME you have to work at a system level to improve both issues, men’s and women’s issues.
-You speak truth M.Concerned, however Humanity as a whole hasn’t reached that point in its social evolution in my opinion. Women are still blaming Men for their own fuckups whilst denying any responsibility for their own actions, while Men as a whole are slowly awakening to the reality that has been provided to them by Feminism. The reality of debt slavery, the reality of any legal or binding clause to their children, simply because they’re Male. The reality of a severe bias in both civil, family and criminal court due to the same fact. For the last couple of decades women have repeatedly spoken out about the problems that they face as a gender all the while complaining about the responsibilities that come with the “rights” they recieve. What happens? In my view, why don’t you look at our social, health, and criminal budget? In which one do Men account for the most spending? I think your smart enough to guess.-
That said, there is no reason for me to hate men who focus on creating change in men’s issues, and likewise I do not hate women who focus on creating change in women’s issues. It is the nature of the beast to want to improve one’s own lot. I do have a problem with women and men thwarting each other’s goals and stomping on each other in the process of trying to better themselves.
One thing I am learning is that men on this website feel that this is what feminism is doing. I’m open to hearing your views about this, though it is not my current opinion. I am under the opinion that some of the comments on this website seek to encourage men to be hypocrites and do that same thing to women (stomp on them and thwart their rights to education, voting, etc.). I think that improving women’s lot and men’s lot is not accomplished by slinging mud back and forth.
-Well in order for that to stop, I think that the mud has to stop being thrown, and I know I sound childish for saying this however, who threw first? You once again ask Men to take the higher path, the one which women refused repeatedly to follow. I find that somewhat hypocritical. You call us pigs, rapists, liars, cheaters, primitive, and suggest that the world would be a better place if we were castrated, or eradicated except as studs for an entirely female world. Then when we finally react, we’re supposed to take the “higher road”. However, these aren’t new ideas. Many societies have been matriarchal, none of them exist as of right now.
So, why do men on this site sling mud? The only response that I’ve gotten is because they are fed up! I will try not to place too much judgement on that response. I’ve been fed up with some things before also, but ultimately I hope you agree that we all (men and women) have to go above and beyond that.
-That isn’t going to happen until we stop being played against each other, until we realize that our “will to power” is inherently harmful if used on human systems, or human biology. It simply causes strife where there isn’t a need for one. Honestly I will take somewhat of a leftist viewpoint on this by saying that I think that our (USAs) social budget needs to somewhat equalize with our military spending and that it also needs to be equally spent or at least viewed as such upon both genders. Men recieve almost no help from the government, and are viewed as last place contenders for Sec 8, or any sort of govt. assistance.-
(2) Thank you for sharing this viewpoint. I think that special interest groups wield financial power when they have statistics. I suspect that due to differences in the reported number of male versus female victims of rape, it is easy to see where the federal funding would likely go.
-Numbers can easily be manipulated, as Feminists, Nazis, Facists, and politicians have proven time and time again. Have you spent any time trying to decipher why all of their “surveys” almost never involve male participants, or questions that might pertain to a Male perspective? Could the FUNDING have anything to do with it?–
I shouldn’t have implied that women’s groups are helping because women care and men don’t. In addition, I haven’t seen men’s groups organize themselves as well politically as women’s groups (although that is changing, I just saw a public program about divorce that featured a father’s rights group that is gaining power). My point was really that, as wolfe indicates, there is always more heterogeneity within groups than between them. sonyad frequently calls me lopsided (and I certainly have my own biases), but I think that ignoring the work that feminists do in helping men (especially sexual minority men who they have many programs for) is a convenient choice for people who would like to hate all feminists.
-Feminists DON’T HELP MEN, that isn’t even the definition of a Feminist! They might help boys (sometimes because they’re children after all not actual Men, and only if girls don’t need help first). Mens groups haven’t organized due to intense social, enviormental and political pressure has been placed upon them not to do so in my view. That hasn’t stopped us, only slowed our momentum in the political sphere. Also we have’nt organized because we HAVE NEVER HAD TO in this manner.–
(3) This is the saddest statement to me of anything that I’ve read on this site because it hits right at the heart of something very dear to me (as someone who works with children). It makes me really really sad that things are this way. I can hear that it also, appropriately, makes you really angry. I think this is a lose-lose situation.
-Honestly M.Concerned, be sad, then try to understand my anger. All I really “feel” right now is complete apathy for your empathy. I know it’s a lose-lose situation. Men are now considered criminals simply for wanting to work with children or trying to be a part of their lives. Women have demanded that we give up the workplace to make room for them, all the while denying many of us our rightful place in our childrens lives. This leads me to believe that many women, like many people are inherently selfish of their “power”. Unfortunately Men don’t have a “court” to go to to have their greivences addressed, nor a political party nor even a govt office. This will change of course, and I hope that it will soon or things might spiral out of control.–
I am going to make myself vulnerable to criticism by sharing my thoughts on this (and please feel free to challenge me because this is an issue that I would really like to discuss with some thoughtful men): I believe that there is a higher base rate of men committing these sexual acts against children (notice that is not the same as saying that majority or men do these things / it is only a relative comparison across genders).
-I disagree somewhat, I think that there might be a slightly higher base rate, however since child sexual abuse is considered an inherently Male crime, most of the sexual abuse that is commited by women isn’t taken seriously, nor is it investigated as thoroughly as Mens crimes. Also view the double standard of both the media and the criminal courts of child sexual abuse that has been perpetrated by women. I might add that when a Man abuses a child, there’s a lot more evidence then when a woman does. This might also explain why there’s a higher conviction rate of Male to female offenders.–
-Strength and Honor-
October 15th, 2006 at 1:20 pm - IP Man-Hash: 47282aa9c8980
Abaddon-
It has been increasingly difficult for me to find time to write (to sony’s delight, I’m sure). Thanks again for your thoughtful reply. I know this is meant to be a non-PC venting place, and I appreciate you taking time to share your point of view with me in a real way.
There are many definitions of feminism. bell hooks, for example, defines feminism as “a movement to end sexism, sexist exploitation and oppression.” Here is a definition that can be used to recognize that both men and women suffer when gender roles are rigidly defined in ways that, for example, exclude men from families. In addition, she and many other feminists believe that “helping men” is important in “helping women,” and vice versa. (You can tell by our conversation that I agree with this train of thought.) In addition, it is silly to say “feminists don’t help men,” when we have already agreed that feminist women’s organizations have taken on the work of helping men who are assaulted, etc. The fact that this is because they are able to get funding (as you described), does not change how they are helping the male individuals who come through their doors.
I am not entirely convinced that you see that it’s a lose-lose situation, but let’s say that you do believe this is true. I do not see women’s groups as the PRIMARY force denying men their rightful place in their children’s lives (and I do believe that men have a rightful place there!). In some ways, I actually see feminism, particularly in its call for gender deconstruction, as helpful to men who would like to be more involved with their families. There is a very interesting book called Gender Vertigo: American families in transition (by Barabara Risman) that you might find interesting. She talks about how difficult it is for families who decide that they will try to be “fair families,” families where husbands and wives attempt to find some way to both remain involved with work and family equally. The difficulties that these families experience are largely due to cultural expectations and discrimination by institutions (the kind of discrimination and cultural beliefs that feminism tries to address). She also does a very interesting study on single fathers, in essence demonstrating that men can “mother” as well as women. (This is a point, by the way, on which different groups within feminism disagree on. However, there are certainly many feminists who believe that men and women can equally parent children.)
I think that in the end, Abaddon, you and I agree on some important ways in which men are paying the price for the current state of things. On the other hand, I will continue to respectfully disagree with you on the reasons why this state of affairs exists and what to do to improve matters.
I hope this finds you well.
October 15th, 2006 at 1:39 pm - IP Man-Hash: bd705c9f5434f
Concerned, not only are you right about men being just as capable mothers as females, but we are more capable.
The ratios are staggering when you compare single father households to single mother households, and it turns out fathers can keep their children out of prison 20 times more than a mother can.
If this is not proof that men are better than women in every way, I don’t know what is.
October 15th, 2006 at 2:04 pm - IP Man-Hash: 8dc7aa395ab62
How about, everything? Every single thing that men do is the proof.
October 15th, 2006 at 3:55 pm - IP Man-Hash: b9f0e9534d216
How about, everything? Every single thing that men do is the proof.
I never doubted it. But many here even on our side have long believed that women’s nurturing intuition makes up for all their other downfalls.
But studies like that prove that they’re only purpose is easily replaceable by a test tube and a geneticist.
October 15th, 2006 at 6:25 pm - IP Man-Hash: 8dc7aa395ab62
I beg to differ here, but just with your use of the word ‘easily.’ They are substitutable, but at what cost? It is much less complicated to just dump some cum in a broad than to set up the artificial incubating apparatus. Further, the initial costs of fucking a chick and paying for her OBGYN are way lower than that of the operational costs of the incubator.
October 15th, 2006 at 7:57 pm - IP Man-Hash: d2c145a8278a7
I beg to differ here, but just with your use of the word ‘easily.’ They are substitutable, but at what cost? It is much less complicated to just dump some cum in a broad than to set up the artificial incubating apparatus. Further, the initial costs of fucking a chick and paying for her OBGYN are way lower than that of the operational costs of the incubator.
Ahh but look at the long term brother. Calculate total costs over many years and stress of expensive media dictated wedding, nagging, bitching, cheating, child support when you divorce her for cheating and the courts make you pay for her and her new boyfriend’s lifestyle in your house.
Still think test tubes and genetic engineers are too difficult and expensive?
October 15th, 2006 at 11:51 pm - IP Man-Hash: 76cebfba7c181
Concerned, you’ve been hit with a lot of crap here. I had the pain of reviewing this book. It itself is rubbish. The whole “fair families” approach she suggests is based upon staggeringly ludicrous conceptualizations of gender.
Moreover, I’d argue women involved are being drawn into a spiral of what gay men believe in body image. Pathetic.
-wolfe
October 15th, 2006 at 11:56 pm - IP Man-Hash: 980cc8a8ac1a7
Her own brains is a feminist’s own worst enema. Yet more supportive evidence.
October 16th, 2006 at 4:37 pm - IP Man-Hash: 8dc7aa395ab62
feminists have brains?
January 21st, 2007 at 2:54 pm - IP Man-Hash: 370486342dfd8
“It’s the kind of thing that makes you proud to be a man.”
yeah
February 17th, 2007 at 10:26 am - IP Man-Hash: 8137a5c09f266
Women do not understand justice at a fundimental level. They just arent wired for it. Read this New York Times Science Article to see what I mean. This site makes me laugh and think. Thanks Dick.
“Frailty thy name is woman!” –From Hamlet (I, ii, 146)
February 17th, 2007 at 11:00 am - IP Man-Hash: adc0a2c9dafc9
What a huge load of BS. Femiminst helping men.
Concerned is blind to believe that garbage.
February 17th, 2007 at 11:01 am - IP Man-Hash: 1e9a4fd46c3a7
Obviously it’s the feminist equivalent of a brain. Don’t know what it is though. Sounds like ego.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:20 pm - IP Man-Hash: 2587a5110b1e2
man must band together in this late hour. the feminist are encroaching upon us with NOW announcing their support for clinton. in the us, if your an american, for the love of god, dont vote for clinton. thank you. having her in charge will result in Nazi America. peace.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:32 am - IP Man-Hash: d4fa8b220332f
You mean America isn’t nazi run?
May 29th, 2007 at 7:01 am - IP Man-Hash: 4e94a136c287a
Riiiight… we’re run by Bush the Nazi and all his jew friends. Wolfowitz.. Pearle… Crystal.. they’re all good Aryan names.
Or.. you could just be reading too much world news on propaganda internet sites.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:43 pm - IP Man-Hash: a195d2c8d4a47
sots, we don’t see eye-to-eye on some things, but I think the threat of Zionism to our great country is something you and I can definitely agree on.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:54 pm - IP Man-Hash: bbe132f88b6ad
Zionism and evangelical Christiandom are a symbiotic circle.
As long as mouth breathing gits believe that Israel’s borders expanding is going to bring Jesus back to take them to the clouds Zionism will run this place.