Men Are Man-Prettier Than Women

Here’s one of my least favorite Shit-A-Myths. It’s so sneaky and seemingly fucking harmless, I don’t think there’s a man on Earth who hasn’t said it without a second thought.

“Men are big and ugly while women are graceful, beautiful, and attractive.”

Women are none of those things. Women are clumsy, monkey-lipped, and gross.

I don’t know who the fuck started this myth. It was probably some 17th century Mangina — which just proves how awesomely powerful men are. Even when firing on only half their cylinders, Mangina men can fabricate lies that last through the generations. That’s manly!

There’s just one thing. It isn’t true.

Women are not better looking than men. Women are not better or as good as men at anything. Watch me unfold this like a deck of cards. You ladies out there — who shouldn’t fucking be out there and who are frothing at the mouth right now with anti-homosexual and anti-Semitic epithets for yours truly — be prepared to go fuck yourselves because I took all the Jokers out of the this deck.

Proof #1

The male of every other species on Earth is the more attractive one; from flora to fuck-off insects and fish. How about male peacocks — nature’s pimp? They look completely awesome. They look so incredible and man-jestic they should all just have sex with each other until nature figures out a way to get rid of those dumpy looking female peacocks.

Ever heard of a lion? Fuck off.

Proof #2

I can count the number of classical works of beauty and art of the highest antiquity that feature women on my penis. One. There’s only the Mona Lisa and as everyone knows that’s not even really considered all that great a painting. It’s just famous because of that book.

Michelangelo’s David, Van Gogh’s Self Portrait in a Grey Hat, da Vinci’s Man in the Circle Thing; each one an unforgettable masterpiece and all featuring men. If women were so fucking attractive, you think they could at least make a cameo in the art history of an entire species? Is it laziness or ugliness? When women are involved, it’s always both.

Proof #3

Women are so embarrassed at the idea of touching their own ugly asses, they won’t even admit it. Fuck, I admit that at least once a day. There could be no other possible reason for that shame.

Conclusion

In conclusion, the myth stated at the beginning of this dissertation requires clarification. It should not read, ‘Men are big and ugly while women are graceful, beautiful, and attractive,’ but should instead probably say something like, ‘Women will believe any excuse you tell them to get laid because they’re whores, even if a lifetime of mirrors is telling them the exact opposite.’

That even rolls off my man-tongue better; probably because I’m not choking on bile.

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Comment by studioline
2008-07-15 21:39:42

Heather said:

@lauren
thanks for being a bitch to me.

Yep no one likes you nor want’s your pussy, even chicks, maybe you should consider switching to a domestic pet to “handle” you, and then again maybe you already do or even did. God only knows what else you are capable of.

 
Comment by Heather
2008-07-15 21:31:10

@lauren
thanks for being a bitch to me.

 
Comment by studioline
2008-07-15 21:29:39

Lauren said:

studioline said:

Lauren said:

studioline said:

Lauren said:

Again I reiterate that I like a good deep dicking as much as a gay homosexual (You all are homosexuals, aren’t you? So I am sure you can all relate…) So women hate sex, women don’t do anything right, blah, blah, blah, right, got it, so why are you dedicating an entire website to us?? And also, if women are so much uglier than men, then why do 100% of straight men (Although I am pretty sure none of you fit into the “straight” category) prefer the wonderful warmth of a womans breasts in their face as opposed to salty man balls? I mean men spend so much time oogling women, but I guess thats bullshit too? Where the hell is your logic man?

Talking shit is common, what do you have to offer?

Interesting way of trying to avoid my questions, which apparently you are another dumb “woman hating bull fag” who can’t read or comprehend clearly, so let me spell it out for your sperm infected brain:

If you agree with everything that Dick here is saying, that women are entirely incompetent, on all levels, even including looks, then don’t you think you need to start pitching for the other team? (Well, you could be the pitcher or the catcher) I can’t argue that the ratio of really shitty women, to really awesome women is pathetically high (By which I mean, there are far more shitty women than really awesome women) I’m not denying that this type of woman doesn’t exist, but do you really think all of us are like this? Honestly? As far as feminism goes, I think feminism sucks, and not only does it suck, but it has fucked things up over the past 5 decades. However, this male “macho-ism” is just as equally devastating. And finally, if you agree with the idea that men are “prettier” than women, there is something wrong with you. I’m a woman, and I still know women have more to look at than men. Unless of course, you’re gay.

I am not avoiding you question you are avoiding mine. why is it so hard for you just openly admit it that you are in heat and you want my cock, to stop being bitter and become sweet again???

If you play your ball again, Ill tell you bye

Hey, well I would want yours, but it wouldn’t stay up if the opportunity arose (With you being homosexual and all), and also I have nice piece of man meat here, which I happen to love dearly. He didn’t have to act like a chauvinistic pig to get me to make dinner for him everyday, clean the house, kiss his ass, and be a wonderful and loving girlfriend. He just treated me like a person. I’m not bitter, I am just poking fun at you.

Yep, I knew you still would wanna mine

 
Comment by Lauren
2008-07-15 21:24:02

studioline said:

Lauren said:

studioline said:

Lauren said:

Again I reiterate that I like a good deep dicking as much as a gay homosexual (You all are homosexuals, aren’t you? So I am sure you can all relate…) So women hate sex, women don’t do anything right, blah, blah, blah, right, got it, so why are you dedicating an entire website to us?? And also, if women are so much uglier than men, then why do 100% of straight men (Although I am pretty sure none of you fit into the “straight” category) prefer the wonderful warmth of a womans breasts in their face as opposed to salty man balls? I mean men spend so much time oogling women, but I guess thats bullshit too? Where the hell is your logic man?

Talking shit is common, what do you have to offer?

Interesting way of trying to avoid my questions, which apparently you are another dumb “woman hating bull fag” who can’t read or comprehend clearly, so let me spell it out for your sperm infected brain:

If you agree with everything that Dick here is saying, that women are entirely incompetent, on all levels, even including looks, then don’t you think you need to start pitching for the other team? (Well, you could be the pitcher or the catcher) I can’t argue that the ratio of really shitty women, to really awesome women is pathetically high (By which I mean, there are far more shitty women than really awesome women) I’m not denying that this type of woman doesn’t exist, but do you really think all of us are like this? Honestly? As far as feminism goes, I think feminism sucks, and not only does it suck, but it has fucked things up over the past 5 decades. However, this male “macho-ism” is just as equally devastating. And finally, if you agree with the idea that men are “prettier” than women, there is something wrong with you. I’m a woman, and I still know women have more to look at than men. Unless of course, you’re gay.

I am not avoiding you question you are avoiding mine. why is it so hard for you just openly admit it that you are in heat and you want my cock, to stop being bitter and become sweet again???

If you play your ball again, Ill tell you bye

Hey, well I would want yours, but it wouldn’t stay up if the opportunity arose (With you being homosexual and all), and also I have nice piece of man meat here, which I happen to love dearly. He didn’t have to act like a chauvinistic pig to get me to make dinner for him everyday, clean the house, kiss his ass, and be a wonderful and loving girlfriend. He just treated me like a person. I’m not bitter, I am just poking fun at you.

 
Comment by studioline
2008-07-15 21:16:20

Lauren said:

studioline said:

Lauren said:

Again I reiterate that I like a good deep dicking as much as a gay homosexual (You all are homosexuals, aren’t you? So I am sure you can all relate…) So women hate sex, women don’t do anything right, blah, blah, blah, right, got it, so why are you dedicating an entire website to us?? And also, if women are so much uglier than men, then why do 100% of straight men (Although I am pretty sure none of you fit into the “straight” category) prefer the wonderful warmth of a womans breasts in their face as opposed to salty man balls? I mean men spend so much time oogling women, but I guess thats bullshit too? Where the hell is your logic man?

Talking shit is common, what do you have to offer?

Interesting way of trying to avoid my questions, which apparently you are another dumb “woman hating bull fag” who can’t read or comprehend clearly, so let me spell it out for your sperm infected brain:

If you agree with everything that Dick here is saying, that women are entirely incompetent, on all levels, even including looks, then don’t you think you need to start pitching for the other team? (Well, you could be the pitcher or the catcher) I can’t argue that the ratio of really shitty women, to really awesome women is pathetically high (By which I mean, there are far more shitty women than really awesome women) I’m not denying that this type of woman doesn’t exist, but do you really think all of us are like this? Honestly? As far as feminism goes, I think feminism sucks, and not only does it suck, but it has fucked things up over the past 5 decades. However, this male “macho-ism” is just as equally devastating. And finally, if you agree with the idea that men are “prettier” than women, there is something wrong with you. I’m a woman, and I still know women have more to look at than men. Unless of course, you’re gay.

I am not avoiding you question you are avoiding mine. why is it so hard for you just openly admit it that you are in heat and you want my cock, to stop being bitter and become sweet again???

If you play your ball again, Ill tell you bye

 
Comment by Lauren
2008-07-15 20:54:44

studioline said:

Lauren said:

Again I reiterate that I like a good deep dicking as much as a gay homosexual (You all are homosexuals, aren’t you? So I am sure you can all relate…) So women hate sex, women don’t do anything right, blah, blah, blah, right, got it, so why are you dedicating an entire website to us?? And also, if women are so much uglier than men, then why do 100% of straight men (Although I am pretty sure none of you fit into the “straight” category) prefer the wonderful warmth of a womans breasts in their face as opposed to salty man balls? I mean men spend so much time oogling women, but I guess thats bullshit too? Where the hell is your logic man?

Talking shit is common, what do you have to offer?

Interesting way of trying to avoid my questions, which apparently you are another dumb “woman hating bull fag” who can’t read or comprehend clearly, so let me spell it out for your sperm infected brain:

If you agree with everything that Dick here is saying, that women are entirely incompetent, on all levels, even including looks, then don’t you think you need to start pitching for the other team? (Well, you could be the pitcher or the catcher) I can’t argue that the ratio of really shitty women, to really awesome women is pathetically high (By which I mean, there are far more shitty women than really awesome women) I’m not denying that this type of woman doesn’t exist, but do you really think all of us are like this? Honestly? As far as feminism goes, I think feminism sucks, and not only does it suck, but it has fucked things up over the past 5 decades. However, this male “macho-ism” is just as equally devastating. And finally, if you agree with the idea that men are “prettier” than women, there is something wrong with you. I’m a woman, and I still know women have more to look at than men. Unless of course, you’re gay.

 
Comment by studioline
2008-07-15 20:26:10

Lauren said:

Again I reiterate that I like a good deep dicking as much as a gay homosexual (You all are homosexuals, aren’t you? So I am sure you can all relate…) So women hate sex, women don’t do anything right, blah, blah, blah, right, got it, so why are you dedicating an entire website to us?? And also, if women are so much uglier than men, then why do 100% of straight men (Although I am pretty sure none of you fit into the “straight” category) prefer the wonderful warmth of a womans breasts in their face as opposed to salty man balls? I mean men spend so much time oogling women, but I guess thats bullshit too? Where the hell is your logic man?

Talking shit is common, what do you have to offer?

 
Comment by Lauren
2008-07-15 20:16:05

Again I reiterate that I like a good deep dicking as much as a gay homosexual (You all are homosexuals, aren’t you? So I am sure you can all relate…) So women hate sex, women don’t do anything right, blah, blah, blah, right, got it, so why are you dedicating an entire website to us?? And also, if women are so much uglier than men, then why do 100% of straight men (Although I am pretty sure none of you fit into the “straight” category) prefer the wonderful warmth of a womans breasts in their face as opposed to salty man balls? I mean men spend so much time oogling women, but I guess thats bullshit too? Where the hell is your logic man?

 
Comment by bw
2008-06-22 18:30:22

this makes you sound gay :) and im guessing somebody didn’t get their queer hug today

 
Comment by detached
2007-12-07 13:51:26

Sophia said:

Yeah, that’s why Playgirl is such a hit and Playboy is tanking.

There aren’t as many fags as straight guys and women can’t get attention from a magazine. Playgirl is a bad business model, probably thought up by a woman.

 
Comment by Sophia
2007-12-07 13:45:16

Yeah, that’s why Playgirl is such a hit and Playboy is tanking.

 
Comment by Howard
2007-06-26 10:53:33

WHO is would ever feel threatened by YOU, a Woman. You know why women are pathetic? Well, lets take you for example, you are on this website why??? Well, I will answer that; you feel threatened by the truth of women which makes you want to try to change that.

Let me make it simpler to a female brain:

YOU FEEL THREATENED BY THIS WEBSITE BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU, A WOMAN, LOOK LIKE THE COMPLETE DUMBSHIT THAT YOU ARE.

Women think that they are perfect, when actually you can’t do a goddamn thing right.

kl said:

if we’re so pathetic and inferior you shouldnt be threatened by us. If you opened this site you obviously are worried about something.

 
Comment by Wolfe
2007-02-16 09:20:35

kl said:

if we’re so pathetic and inferior you shouldnt be threatened by us. If you opened this site you obviously are worried about something.

Viruses are inferior forms of life, but that doesn’t mean sensible people aren’t very concerned about avian flu. (I don’t say this to equate women to viruses; I do say it to point out the flaw in your thinking, if I may use that word loosely).
-wolfe

 
Comment by diamatik
2007-02-16 08:55:42

women are the mother of all fuckups

 
Comment by sonyad
2007-02-16 08:50:06

Presumptuous assumptions. Isn’t assumption supposed to be the mother(nota bene!) of all fuckups?

 
Comment by kl
2007-02-16 08:19:04

if we’re so pathetic and inferior you shouldnt be threatened by us. If you opened this site you obviously are worried about something.

 
Comment by kl
2007-02-16 08:18:25

where does this hatred of women stem from?

 
Comment by diamatik
2007-02-16 08:07:31

kl said:
So you only tell women theyre good lookin to get laid huh, you sound gay to me , maybe you should try men

Look at how much sense that makes.

 
Comment by kl
2007-02-16 08:03:47

women look MUCH better naked. All you have is a big thing between your legs hanging. saggy balls.

 
Comment by kl
2007-02-16 08:02:42

comparing male humans to peacocks? lol what a dope Proof 3 is a big lie, women masturbate too and some admit it
So you only tell women theyre good lookin to get laid huh, you sound gay to me , maybe you should try men
Im a woman even if i can see WOMEN are the more beautiful of the 2 sexes. Naturally.

 
Comment by sonyad
2006-08-30 18:23:39

Ab originis. They are the true ozzies, aren’t they? You all white meat are tenants on their yard. hehehe

 
Comment by Female
2006-08-30 14:22:16

John, thanks for including me in your post. It obviously added just that little bit more to the considerable effort I can see you had already put into your indepth comment, and I appreciate that. Thanks also to wolfe for clarifying serfs/slave distinction. I can’t think why at this stage, but there is a reason I don’t believe they were serfs…I may post on this later.

Re: Spear Chucker.
This has nothing to do with vomit. If it did, the word ’spear’ would not appear before ‘chucker’. I also think the word ‘chucker’ is more commonly a derogatory term for someone who doesn’t bowl correctly when playing cricket.

To know the true meaning of ’spear chucker’ we would need to find out the historical origins of when it first appeared. However, I don’t think that is very often necessary to do in order to find out exactly what people mean.

We just need to know who said the term and what the words mean to the speaker; the person to whom the speaker addressed the term and the speakers assumptions regarding the receiver’s comprehension of the words.

Spear chucker is a derogatory racial slur, possibly from the 70s, also used to denote indigenous Australians. The term was addressed to gwallan, an Australian….I therefore think it’s highly probable that Josh believes gwallan is Aboriginal.

 
Comment by wolfe
2006-08-30 14:17:54

Here we discuss slavery in cold, rational terms. Let no one mistake our discussion for an emotional or moral acceptance of such a grotesque evil.

@John: An outstanding response. Welcome indeed. I don’t entirely agree with you, but you are deploying logic and thought in a coherent fashion.

What I most love about your post is that it attempts to discuss rather than argue. You readily admit the shortcomings in your arguments; I shall endeavor to do the same.

Wolfe, The economics of slavery are an interesting topic but one has to admit that american slavery was, in general, an anomaly in history due to its vast size.

This, you will admit, was largely down to arbitrage, and the immense post-Armada capability of the British to churn out relatively inexpensive ships with skilled (partly) ex-RN crews.

You do, however, have an interesting point, and my outlining the reason for it does not diminish its likely validity. Just simply accept this: It wasn’t a relative lack of morality that drove the size of the slave trade, it was economic factors.

“help me out with a link if you have one (on arab involvement on slave trade)”. We agree they were middlemen. Sorry, I’ve no great link for you; I simply don’t have time. Yes, that’s a copout. Sorry. But at least I acknowledge it. If you feel this is an important point to discuss, let’s return to it and I’ll work on research as I’m sure you shall.

I do know Arab-run slavery continued into the 20th and almost certainly the 21st century, though it became entirely driven against blacks, rather than the earlier Barbary white/black slavery.

We do know that modern intense, organized opposition to slavery (of any race) first arose in the UK amongst Christians in the 18th century, and exploded in the 19th.

@John: On Josh, I think he is an ass, and an insincere one at that. You, by contrast, have been a new poster that has come back with logic, politeness, and rationality. My hat is off to you sir.

However, your implication about my wanting slavery to continue in the 21st century is a weak insult and from what Ive read of your posts, beneath you, especially given that slavery

I do not recall doing so, but it is certainly highly possible. (I looked, couldn’t find it. I’m sure it exists, given your coherent arguments).

I therefore apologize, and revise and extend whatever remarks I made. No, I do not imply or state that you are a supporter of slavery. In any sense. Quite the contrary.

Please do understand: a lot of idiots post on this site. I have tended to become pretty cutting — against you, Luka, Female, and umpteen idiots. Sometimes unfairly, but, I think, overall for the good of the site.

Slavery: a vicious form of predation on human souls, not least of which is the slavemaster’s. To be fought everywhere.
-wolfe

 
Comment by wolfe
2006-08-30 14:00:58

I’m skipping John’s response in this post. John, see below.

@Billy Yes, prejudice against the Italians, Irish (and in the southern US and North of ‘49, the French). All Catholic, and all faintly “other”.

On your black man/white woman views, yeah, maybe.

sonyad said:

Sounds like a historically shite, politically correct anglosaxon soap. And all soaps are crap. ‘Cept for some the women in them though, well the latin ones :).

Don’t get me wrong, they still suck at acting.

Amen, brother Sony.

@Sonofsuns”Wolfe I would never say that the Republicans don’t salivate over cheap labor for their business interests, I know this about my party. And they are open about it.”

Yeah. For me, I’m a conservative/libertarian. We all have our biases. I’m glad to see another conservative (I hope you are c and not just R!).

You are 100% right about the Democrats (no, not Demoncrats; please, let’s be adults here) and their attitude to minorities. They use them.

To the degree that a political plantation exists, it’s founded and funded by Democrats.

-wolfe

 
Comment by wolfe
2006-08-30 13:55:50

Wow, a lot of superb responses. Excellent. My compliments to you all.
I will respond in separate posts, to each thread of debate. This first to Female.

@Female, No, serfs would be a more accurate characterization of how Australians were treated over the [quasi-criminal] colonization period than “slaves”. I’ll try and fire something up on that on my blog, and you are certainly welcome to present whatever evidence you have (no, a TV documentary is pretty weak) and persuade me I’m wrong. Serf is pretty brutal too, just different in status from slave. Read up a bit, THEN tell me I’m wrong and why. (or why I’m right).

@Female: Of course, yes, they were ‘criminals’ (alleged and real), and the first ones were transported into the unknown. That doesn’t make them slaves. Sorry, it doesn’t. It’s a different thing. Very different.

Perhaps this will help you grasp it. (and it’s evil; I oppose it). A slave is a valuable item of property, transported and purchased to fill an economic need. A slave is wasted only in the sense that a human soul is deemed to be worth less than the 20 or 200 # paid for the same.

A serf is freer — but of far less value, particularly outside the labor contract. A serf (or bound criminal) may indeed be ‘wasted’ and killed in a hostile land since there is little capital investment inherent.

Please note clearly: I vehemently oppose such views of human beings (or even dogs). That doesn’t mean that our societies, collectively, didn’t view people that way in the past.

Language is important. Serf and Slave are different.

-wolfe

 
Comment by Billy
2006-08-30 05:10:05

Most of those mexicans coming here are doing much better than in their homeland. So how can it be that bad? No I ain’t no stinking democrap.

And why should we learn their language?
We didn’t do that for any other immigrants.

 
Comment by son of the suns
2006-08-30 04:20:42

Wolfe I would never say that the Republicans don’t salivate over cheap labor for their business interests, I know this about my party. And they are open about it.

What gives me shit fits is the Demoncrats have this image of being the party of the poor, downtrodden, minorities. They say border control is racism, yet coming here illegally is puts them in such shithole, slavery like conditions.

If the Demoncrats gave a fuck about Mexicans, they would be telling them get citizenship the fucking legal way so you don’t become a slave.

 
Comment by John
2006-08-30 01:52:29

I know the intellectual rigor of this board is a lot higher than most other blogs, and so I realize I may have been lazy with my train of thoughts, So let me try to be more clear here.

Spear chucker is derived from, specifically, the hunting methods of african blacks.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spear+chucker

It was most likely COINED by slavers who were armed with superior weapons, most likely Muskets. ( I am taking a guess at the weapon, given that european soldiers were required to carry muskets by the start of the 17th century, prior to even the first slave being traded in america see

http://www.nps.gov/archive/colo/Jthanout/HisArmur.html

and

http://innercity.org/holt/slavechron.html

And this is only midly relevant, but an amusing read for the mindset of the times…

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html

I am aware of some of the history of slavery, and that slavers didnt actually hunt slaves, but rather bought them from the local market. I should have said slave TRADERS, who were the european buyers of
slaves that likely coined the phrase.

Wolfe, The economics of slavery are an interesting topic but one has to admit that american slavery was, in general, an anomaly in history due to its vast size, and that slavery in general is not of greater economic benefit than superior methods of market forces.

http://www.mises.org/journals/lar/pdfs/3_2/3_2_1.pdf#search=%22economi cs%20of%20slavery%20mises%22

But I will grant that it was economically advantageous for the local african market to sell the their “slaves” to europeans and arabs, rather than keep them locally. As for the trade being run by Arabs, the primary source for slaves was intertribal warfare within africa, and these slaves ( or identured
servants ) then became a commodity that arabs were willing to buy. Did this put the arabs in charge of the slave trade, or were they middlemen/merchants ( north and south, black and white slaves)

(Neither position is morally defendable, I just cant find a reliable reference one way or the other that does more than state that arabs were involved… help me out with a link if you have one)

I was not giving gwallan permission to use language how he wishes. I cannot give or take permission for how anyone speaks, as it is there right to express themselves however they wish (josh included)

I was merely trying to point out that I was unlikely to reach the conclusion that it was not meant to be a racist remark on Josh’s part.

I wasnt trying to twist history Wolfe, I just didnt think it was relevant to my point concerning the use of the term Spear Chucker, which is only incidentally linked to Slavery, However, your implication about my wanting slavery to continue in the 21st century is a weak insult and from what Ive read of your posts, beneath you, especially given that slavery does continue in todays world
( not to mention the belief amoung many mens groups today that divorce and punitive alimony agreements are enslaving men, though that may well be a case of volcabulary choice)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4534393.stm

Gwallan, Yes, There was a character on MASH named spearchucker jones ( I had to google it though, and yes he was black and he threw javelins in college according to the story, and his character was quietly removed after less than a handful of episodes, though he did appear in the book, and original movie ) That has no bearing on my assertion that Josh’s comment is racist. In Canada where I am currently residing, They use the term upchuck, close to chucker, and I’ve never seen anyone Vomit a spear, so how is it be a cultural reference? I am again unlikely to come to the conclusion that spearchucker is being used in any manner except one to promote racism, which was the point I was trying to make.

My original post, which got this all started, was that Josh, by implying that the views of this site, and gwallan’s in particular are unimportant and irrelevant, Specifically:

“I sincerely hope that you can get some perspective soon and realise that your attitudes are nothing but degrative to society”

And

“If you read back to one of the posts on this site you will see a surprisingly good quote ‘Many, butstupid’, this describes the whole sexist movement and this site in general perfectly. … I personally believe that your feelings are rooted in either upbringing or rejection, either of these cases are tragic but do not warrant this despicable behaviour.”
( I deleted the obvious point about JOsh being ashamed of being male)

ANd FInally

“Spear Chucker, if you eventually manage to find me and enclose on me from the four points of thecompass and two vertical orientations, please point yourself out to me first, I will happily take thepleasure beating you down from your perch with a huge smile on my face” ( I couldnt Decide if this was a threat or not so I went with threat, given the tenor of Josh’s post)

Never minding Josh’s Obvious Personal Bias that its ok for women to behave this way, He is implying that he is morally superior to gwallan and the other readers of this site (myself included) by disagreeing with these views. He then neatly undermined his “higher moral position” with the use of a racist and derogatory term like spearchucker, a low moral choice.

Admittedly, Gwallan, I could have assumed that Josh’s Use of the term spear chucker was not meant as a slur, and rather a local, unrelated term (the fact that he put it in quotes caused me to wonder), but frankly it annoyed me too much. Not so much the term itself, but rather the apparent moral dicotomy of his position.

As for Cultural Imperialism, are you not doing the same by assuming I am an American? Or is it simply an easy way to attack someone, just because you are not American?

I admit that I do assume that native english speakers are living in a”western Culture” which are derived from classical greek and
christian cultures. And Australia is most definately a “Western Culture”. We could assume that on the internet we create our own culture, above that of our local ISPs, But then we come back to the fact that most internet users are still primarily North American ( and an internet search says Spear Chucker is racist ) SO where does that leave us?
For the record, I am an AUstralian-Canadian with an American-Canadian Wife, and I have travelled extensively outside of north america ( and been bitten in the ass by the cultural differences )
I try to make a point not to impose any one culture, so your pointing the possibility that I might be doing it did make me pause. But by couching the cultural reference with the slavery reference you switch the argument from cultural to historical, and it becomes a knowledge question, not cultural, and then only reflects on what a nation chooses to teach about history, not cultural references ( since history is recorded for anyone to study, from anywhere in the world )

{jokingly} You could claim it was Intellectual Imperialism, but that has a really shitty implication of superiority and I would expect to be promptly beat upside the head with a proper history book.

My point was not to flame, gwallan (honest), it is was to point out the moral dishonesty of Josh’s comments. It just seems i did a piss poor job of it. And NOW I am writing a bloody essay to try and defend my position. argh

Finally, Female, The difference between serfs and slaves : Serfs differed from slaves in that serfs were allowed property for themselves and could not be sold apart from the land which they worked.
Essentially ( not unlike modern government ) The serfs worked the land and the owners of the LAND collected a tax, a percentage of their crops and labour.

 
Comment by sonyad
2006-08-30 01:44:57

Sounds like a historically shite, politically correct anglosaxon soap. And all soaps are crap. ‘Cept for some the women in them though, well the latin ones :).

Don’t get me wrong, they still suck at acting.

 
Comment by Female
2006-08-29 21:47:56

biff said:

I only saw one episode of Mary Bryant and would like to see the rest of them.

Spoilers

Mary, her husband, 2 kids and three violent convicts escape the colony to survive. The crops they planted didn’t survive in the Oz environment and they had no food. They didn’t know if they could eat kangaroos etc and they didn’t seem too expert at hunting. The guards were hoarding the food for themselves and starving the workers. So they took a dinghy and fled. After some serious jousts in the dinghey about where to go and who they should eat first if necessary, Mary naturally assumed control by threatening to shoot them all (though she only had one bullet and everyone knew it).

They got to Timor and pretended to be shipwrecked English Aristocrats taken prisoner by pirates and dressed in rags. They were adopted by Timor’s Governor and lived royally for months. They got found out because Mary’s husband got drunk one night and jealous of all the attention Mary was getting, he blurted out their true origins. They fled.

Husband got shot. Mary survived and was deported back to England with the other 2 or 3 convicts who escaped with her. Mary’s children died, she lost her mind with grief in prison.

They went to trial and found her guilty but the public clamoured for her to be free and she and the other convicts were pardoned. Mary regained her sanity and went back to Cornwell. Probably not historically accurate but very cool. Now you don’t need to see it. No need to thank me.

Never thought about the seasons being reversed. That type of thing can warp your mind.

Yea. No.

 
Comment by biff
2006-08-29 20:11:16

I only saw one episode of Mary Bryant and would like to see the rest of them.

Never thought about the seasons being reversed. That type of thing can warp your mind.

 
Comment by Billy
2006-08-29 19:13:01

You should thank men for the talents and skills that led to survival.
If it was up to women they went of went the way to the dodo bird.

 
Comment by Female
2006-08-29 17:19:26

Omg, they weren’t serfs. There is a great mini-series about the first boatload that arrived which you should definately check out - it’s called Mary Bryant. Basically they were criminals/slaves (some no doubt falsely accused) were sent to a wild country where they had no clue about which plants were edible or what crops could be sown in the soil or when (as seasons reversed) and ordered to set up a civilisation - without the necessary skills to do so. It’s a wonder any survived.

 
Comment by Billy
2006-08-29 16:03:03

wolfe said:

A woman saying “I F-d a black man”? Yeah, if she’s trumpeting that decision on the basis of his skin color/heritage that seems to verge into racism to me. No, that is not a hit at you. That is a hit at a great many women of superficially ‘liberal’ views though.

The whole Mexican illegal immigration thing? If the kids worked as hard as the parents, it wouldn’t be an issue. It just wouldn’t. Second generation illegals seem to statistically be prone to crime (way beyond illegal immigration). This is a problem. A serious problem that deserves a serious response.

@Son sadly, some Republicans are salivating over the same thing (cheap labor). Don’t get me wrong; I lean right, but I don’t think the GOP knows what it’s doing on this issue.

@gwallan No, early Aussies weren’t slaves. They were, however, serfs. Call that a fine distinction? Yeah, we can discuss it. It’s interesting to note that blacks were viewed as superior to Irish, even Plantation Irish in NE US in the early 19th Century. The then-NY Times would run ads along these lines: “Maid wanted: Must be good European or African stock. No Irish need apply”.

-wolfe

Also similar signs pointed to the Italians who immagrated and were seen as troublesome. Signs like No Irish or Italians need apply were common.” Many Italians and Irish mated back then.

There is also mexican gangs who immigrated. Many mexican girls aren’t allowed out of the house and many more boys have jumped this fence.
The mexicans can be very rude and they ogle evey woman like they have never seen one before. Billions of people have immigrated and learned English, the Mexicans come here and demand we speak there langauge and act like we owe them. Remember the Alamo!

As for white women f-ing blacks it appears they do it just to annoy Daddy or white men. MTV has pushed this image in their heads for years now. Videos with black men, black & white women.
Void white men and go to a commercial with black men, black & white women. I suppose this is not racially motivated but affirmative action at work. These 3 groups of people are the only ones with rights in the workplace.

Every since woman got control of MTV rap has become the choice of music for young women and kids. Who is controlling what the kids listen too? I know who owns the program.

 
Comment by wolfe
2006-08-29 15:16:55

No, Female, you’re wrong on this.

Spear Chucker, to the degree it exists racially, seems oft-aimed at the Zulus. Look at Islandwana. Or Rorke’s Drift. Google them if you are staggeringly ignorant on history.

Yes, it can be racist. No, it does not refer to savages or neanderthals.

In the case used above, it was patently non-racist.

I despise racism. I think people who criticize or prejudge individuals simply because they are of another ‘race’ (I’d prefer skin color/heritage, since we are all the freaking human race) are contemptible.

I also think that people who categorize others primarily in terms of their race are also, well, yeah, at least a little racist. Sorry. That puts me at odds with a lot of people. All of the left, and most of the right.

A woman saying “I F-d a black man”? Yeah, if she’s trumpeting that decision on the basis of his skin color/heritage that seems to verge into racism to me. No, that is not a hit at you. That is a hit at a great many women of superficially ‘liberal’ views though.

The whole Mexican illegal immigration thing? If the kids worked as hard as the parents, it wouldn’t be an issue. It just wouldn’t. Second generation illegals seem to statistically be prone to crime (way beyond illegal immigration). This is a problem. A serious problem that deserves a serious response.

@Son sadly, some Republicans are salivating over the same thing (cheap labor). Don’t get me wrong; I lean right, but I don’t think the GOP knows what it’s doing on this issue.

@gwallan No, early Aussies weren’t slaves. They were, however, serfs. Call that a fine distinction? Yeah, we can discuss it. It’s interesting to note that blacks were viewed as superior to Irish, even Plantation Irish in NE US in the early 19th Century. The then-NY Times would run ads along these lines: “Maid wanted: Must be good European or African stock. No Irish need apply”.

-wolfe

 
Comment by son of the suns
2006-08-29 12:02:32

Female said:

I can only assume that Billy and sob dropped out of school in year 6 because they have obviously never heard of cause and effect. IIRC both appeared on this website and immediately started slandering me. I have refrained quite well from responding in kind to their disgusting remarks as I am too much of a decent person to stoop to their grade school “intellectual” level, not to mention the fact that my manners are generally impeccable. As such, if that is the way you kiddies want to behave towards me, then don’t expect me to be a lady towards you. Now or ever.

Actually I dropped out in 11th grade to go fight the war, but facts show I could have dropped out in grade 8 and still be smarter than you with a million years of womynz studies.

 
Comment by son of the suns
2006-08-29 11:58:49

Female said:

I can only assume that Billy and sob dropped out of school in year 6 because they have obviously never heard of cause and effect. IIRC both appeared on this website and immediately started slandering me. I have refrained quite well from responding in kind to their disgusting remarks as I am too much of a decent person to stoop to their grade school “intellectual” level, not to mention the fact that my manners are generally impeccable. As such, if that is the way you kiddies want to behave towards me, then don’t expect me to be a lady towards you. Now or ever.

Actually I dropped out in grade 11 to help fight the war, but facts show I could have dropped out in 8th grade and still been more educated than you with a Masters degree.

Must not compute for it. Sacrifice. War. It only thinks of diamonds and cars and uncomfortable furniture that it didn’t pay for.

Don’t worry, maybe some day you’ll get your wish an alpha males like myself will be culled. And then your pathetic feminist movement will be under the powerful jackboot of the Indonesians or Chinese… who simply won’t tolerate such cuntery.

 
Comment by Billy
2006-08-29 11:47:33

I’ve never heard of spear chucker as a slave term.
I know all about cause and effect, that is simple to men and something women only wish they understood.

Example: Cause you can’t understand “no women allowed” or how to make people happy you effect everyone around you with negative bullshit that no one wants to hear.

Try to make someone happy for a change, no it’s not a modern female trait but I can give you a pointer… Farking leave and don’t come back!

 
Comment by Dick Masterson
2006-08-29 11:17:05

Female said:

I can only assume that Billy and sob dropped out of school in year 6 because they have obviously never heard of cause and effect.

Female, the manner in which you speak betrays the maturity of a young teenage girl. For God’s sake, let a man speak for you.

-Dick

 
Comment by Billy
2006-08-29 07:43:55

That’s cheap considering how many live together at times.
Their homeland isn’t as good or they wouldn’t be here.

 
Comment by Female
2006-08-29 06:34:51

The term “Spear Chucker” is well known and derogatory. It basically means uncivilised, savage. Neanderthal, if you will.

 
Comment by son of the suns
2006-08-29 06:02:20

$300 a night should have been $300 a month.

But if you consider how little money they make, and the enourmous cost of living in these affluent places in the northeast.. just wow.

 
Comment by Billy
2006-08-29 05:08:56

son of the suns said:

It’s what illegal Mexican workers amount to… cheap salads and landscaping for rich leftists. In the Clintons town, Mexicans pay $300 a night of their meager wages just to have a bed in shifts, not even their own room.

When did we slip into illogical emo Paris Hilton backworlds universe, where patricians who inherit or marry money(John Kerry) are “of the people”… and people who make money in business are “evil”?

Oh wait I remember, when we let women vote.

$300 a night is insane.
Kerry is a nut tryed to act like he is for the poeple. Heinze uses foreign workers and Kerry campaigned against companies who go foreign.
He should be a liberal democraper.

 
Comment by Billy
2006-08-29 05:04:27

I live in the US and never heard of spear chuckers as reference to anything. There were many differenet peoples and tribes that used spears. Black africans used blow darts also..

I think this guy is off the beaten path.

 
Comment by son of the suns
2006-08-29 05:03:28

Wolfe, some American demoncrats are salivating over 21st century slavery.

It’s what illegal Mexican workers amount to… cheap salads and landscaping for rich leftists. In the Clintons town, Mexicans pay $300 a night of their meager wages just to have a bed in shifts, not even their own room.

When did we slip into illogical emo Paris Hilton backworlds universe, where patricians who inherit or marry money(John Kerry) are “of the people”… and people who make money in business are “evil”?

Oh wait I remember, when we let women vote.

 
Comment by gwallan
2006-08-29 02:28:43

@wolfe
Arguably most of the early European settlers of Australia were slaves. White ones at that. Nary a spear chucker amongst them. That’s how my ancestors got here. If they had a crime it was poverty. But they were slaves here nonetheless.

I wonder if the Tag-Team Trio(the Bee Gees as I think of them ie “singing in very high voices”) realise how this type of politically correct thinking enslaves them. They have to be constantly alert to everything they say and do. They are expected to feel ashamed because of what their ancestors did generations ago. The sins of their fathers are constantly being visited upon them. In that I don’t envy them but I endeavour to understand them because they mean well.

John has unfortunately given in to what is known in politics and debating as playing the man. And while I’m willing to understand when folk have been programmed by their culture’s specific political correctness I am not very forgiving of that type of behaviour.

 
Comment by gwallan
2006-08-29 01:12:52

Female said:

son of the suns said:

Ironic.. feminism doesn’t even allow women to do the only thing GOD ever made them good at.

I wouldn’t be blaming everything on feminism, sobs. Sorry, sots. Whatever.
Sure you can pass the buck to whoever you like but if you are a mean, selfish , stupid bastard, then it’s pretty much guaranteed you’ll get no respect and your partner will run off. That’s called logic, not feminism.

That’s why I’m surprised most men don’t run off.

@John
Wasn’t there a character in MASH called Oliver Harmon ‘Spearchucker’ Jones?
Wasn’t ‘Spearchucker’ Jones a black man?
Was it true that ‘Spearchucker’ Jones was called ‘Spearchucker’ because he played quaterback in college and had a deadly arm?
Wasn’t MASH one of the most leftie TV shows of all time and created at the height of political correctness?
Do you really think Alan Alda would allow the type of racism you allege in HIS show?

 
Comment by gwallan
2006-08-29 00:55:46

John said:

Gwallen, You are correct, in that I dont know if you are a black african. Nor do you know if I am a black african. Nor does it matter. Regardless of YOUR hobbies and color, SPEAR CHUCKER has historically always been a crude racist comment. Its derived from the belief that slavers, who use guns and rifles, are superior to african “spear Chuckers”, thus clearing their conscience ( such as it was ) while hunting and selling them.

That being said, IF you are a black african, and IF your hobbies are olympic level javelin throwing, and IF you choose to use spear Chucker as a nickname ( like black americans using Ni***r to take back the word) and IF Josh is also black, and IF he is your friend on or off this board, then it might be appropriate. But thats a lot of ifs, and not a likely train of thought to reach. I wasnt really commenting on YOUR posts, I was merely remarking on the inappropriateness of Josh’s Comments, in the context that they appeared in this thread.

Do you live in the US John?
I’m assuming this from your references to slavery.
Unfortunately John the culture you live in is not the same culture as the rest of the world. Ever heard of cultural imperialism?

In Australia where I live, and grew up, the joke was always on me. You see, in this country a chucker is somebody who is in the process of vomiting.

 
Comment by wolfe
2006-08-28 23:15:21

John, your view of slavery is pretty messed up.

No, it wasn’t a matter of Europeans wandering in with guns and viewing themselves as superior to natives.

It’s important to look at these things honestly so we know what to despise, and why.

Slavery, throughout the Mediterranean, west Africa, and east Africa was lead by Arabs with the general connivance of local African chiefs.

It wasn’t a question of firepower; it was a question of economics.

Call it mercantilism in its rawest and most brutal form.

To their staggering and eternal shame, the Europeans blundered in, and joined in a disgusting system. A system, which, by the way, enslaved Europeans throughout the southern med, until the Royal Navy and the US Navy put an end to it. (it being all forms of slavery west of Gibraltar. Sadly, slavery has never been extirpated).

When I see you giving “permission” to gwallan to speak as he wishes, under certain conditions, and basing it on a pretty twisted and racist version of history, I’m troubled.

Of course Josh’s comments are trash. That doesn’t make other people’s comments trash.

And your approach of twisting history to some apparently dark, racist ends, is gravely troubling. You seek to conceal the origins of slavery: why? Why would someone do that?

Is it because someone wants slavery to continue in the 21st century?

I don’t know. I hope that’s not your motive, but your words are deeply disturbing.

Regards,
-wolfe

 
Comment by John
2006-08-28 22:01:41

Gwallen, You are correct, in that I dont know if you are a black african. Nor do you know if I am a black african. Nor does it matter. Regardless of YOUR hobbies and color, SPEAR CHUCKER has historically always been a crude racist comment. Its derived from the belief that slavers, who use guns and rifles, are superior to african “spear Chuckers”, thus clearing their conscience ( such as it was ) while hunting and selling them.

That being said, IF you are a black african, and IF your hobbies are olympic level javelin throwing, and IF you choose to use spear Chucker as a nickname ( like black americans using Ni***r to take back the word) and IF Josh is also black, and IF he is your friend on or off this board, then it might be appropriate. But thats a lot of ifs, and not a likely train of thought to reach. I wasnt really commenting on YOUR posts, I was merely remarking on the inappropriateness of Josh’s Comments, in the context that they appeared in this thread.

 
Comment by Female
2006-08-28 18:35:24

I can only assume that Billy and sob dropped out of school in year 6 because they have obviously never heard of cause and effect. IIRC both appeared on this website and immediately started slandering me. I have refrained quite well from responding in kind to their disgusting remarks as I am too much of a decent person to stoop to their grade school “intellectual” level, not to mention the fact that my manners are generally impeccable. As such, if that is the way you kiddies want to behave towards me, then don’t expect me to be a lady towards you. Now or ever.

 
Comment by Billy
2006-08-28 18:05:43

Are maybe it’s because don’t jsut don’t give into her every desire.
I’ve seen younger women and some older ones that act this way because they expect everything. They just can’t act like ladies anymore.

 
Comment by son of the suns
2006-08-28 16:19:54

Once again Female you make assumptions about a male on this site you have no idea about.

I wouldn’t know because I’ve never seen a fat ugly cow who ALSO had a shitty abrasive personality, but maybe every man has treated you like dirt because you were his last resort?

 
Comment by sonyad
2006-08-28 16:02:38

Female, don’t you have someplace to be we’re rudely keeping you from?

 
Comment by Billy
2006-08-28 15:39:55

son of the suns said:
But usually after their urges take are relieved and the passion has subsided, the guilt from years of devastating, godless lies reemerges and they leave. Can’t allow themselves to be held back by the patriarchy of a loving, hardworking alpha male can they?

Ironic.. feminism doesn’t even allow women to do the only thing GOD ever made them good at.

I agree except I’m still trying to determine what you are talking about on that last comment. Ok I’ll bite, what did God make them good at?

 
Comment by Lukasz
2006-08-28 14:12:30

Good point suns, once the feminists meet their urge for children, the feminism comes back, they get fat and divorce you. Hence why every man needs anti-feminism ManDar.

 
Comment by Female
2006-08-28 13:31:30

son of the suns said:

Ironic.. feminism doesn’t even allow women to do the only thing GOD ever made them good at.

I wouldn’t be blaming everything on feminism, sobs. Sorry, sots. Whatever.
Sure you can pass the buck to whoever you like but if you are a mean, selfish , stupid bastard, then it’s pretty much guaranteed you’ll get no respect and your partner will run off. That’s called logic, not feminism.

 
Comment by son of the suns
2006-08-28 13:24:38

Lukasz I mostly agree but you got a few things wrong.

Feminists do want a REAL man because as you said you can’t propagandize nature.

But usually after their urges take are relieved and the passion has subsided, the guilt from years of devastating, godless lies reemerges and they leave. Can’t allow themselves to be held back by the patriarchy of a loving, hardworking alpha male can they?

Ironic.. feminism doesn’t even allow women to do the only thing GOD ever made them good at.

 
Comment by Billy
2006-08-28 12:34:18

Only a woman could claim they are as strong as a man.
Women lie constantly.

 
Comment by Lukasz
2006-08-28 09:52:05

whoah whoah whoah whoah

Is a scientific article really necessary to point out the MOST OBVIOUS FACT in Nature, and that is that in the species hom sapiens the males are physically stronger?

Only a moron with an IQ lower than 75 would even argue that.

TESTOSTERONE builds muscles, men have WAY MORE than women.

The average male is WAY MORE muscle than the average women.

The average male is FASTER at running

The average male has better hand-eye coordination

A man lifting his own body weight is no incredible feat, a woman lifting 1/2 her body weight is extraordinary

Ever look at a man and woman standing next to each other, which one is bigger and has more muscle?

Are people that big of idiots that they actually are brainwashed into believing it is otherwise?

Why do women expect lower standards on physical tests? If they were just as strong or stronger then they wouldn’t need them

Why aren’t there any female NBA players? It is a feat when a woman dunks, yet most boys highschool freshmen teams have at least 1 guy that can.

There are plenty of women at 6′ tall yet barely any of them can even come close to dunking.

Men at 5′9 can dunk the ball.

On a side note

Seriously the manginas here need to go befriend Rosy Palmer and her five sisters because even feminists want Real men.

Sadly I don’t know why the manginas still haven’t learned what women are attracted to. 30 years of brainwashing will not change 6 million years of the female biological drive, try as you may.

Josh do you notice how women walk all over you and you never get laid, do you honestly think that being more of a pu$$y will get you more?