b2kd said:

It is a shame to see the two sides of this issue turning into insults rather then conversation. men are from venus, woman from mars and vice versa. come on, we are all differant, work with the differences and things fall into place. see positive in the differences, and things can be VERY interesting. anger is a wasted energy when it comes to making a relationship work. anger is a cowards way of saying that they are not worth the time, so fuck off. really!?! what a hole to be stuck in. i pitty those people.

I always thought it was men are from mars and women are from venus? But I agree most of what is said here is true… although, there is anger in here too. “fuck off” is usually said when someone is mad.

So what are the mens expectations?
i would think these
1.support your family
2.be faithful, if your wife is faithful
(others on this site yes men have agreed that men who abandoned their family for no reason are scum.)
3.give respect if you want respect.

You are the men who will die alone, am i right?
without simply chivalry no women will want you in the first place, which also solves your problem, they don’t want you, you don’t have to deal with them!

fem and some feminist make a bitchfest, the men come in… beats them to a pulp.. they then start talking senseless because they have lost the argument or point out freudian slips(which no one cares). after that, they just run for the next topic, eager to make a point.

the whole thing just replays and they get pwned… its better than the reruns in cartoon network.

b2kd said:

It is a shame to see the two sides of this issue turning into insults rather then conversation. men are from venus, woman from mars and vice versa. come on, we are all differant, work with the differences and things fall into place. see positive in the differences, and things can be VERY interesting. anger is a wasted energy when it comes to making a relationship work. anger is a cowards way of saying that they are not worth the time, so fuck off. really!?! what a hole to be stuck in. i pitty those people.

I bet you work do the laundry and cook for your wife? sounds like she got you nuttered panzie boy.

Anger comes from frustration for the most part and it certainly isn’t a “cowards way out”. It’s one reason why things get changed actually.

-Strength and Honor-

-Dick

Enya said:
I don’t think it is a bad idea to draw up a more specific contract for marriage, but there should be one for women and men too. These should not be hard rules as to how many nights a week you should have sex or whatever, but a communication of what your basic needs are so that you both know where your expectations stand. Like it or not, everyone has expectations of a marriage. Makes sense to outline them from the outset.

It would be a waste of time for women to want to draft rules in a marriage contract. Women dont know what they want, and they change their minds constantly. [Observe how she suggests a contract for men to sign, but then immediately tries to wiggle out of it by suggesting they shuld not be 'hard rules'].

A Man is more stable, specific and knows what he wants, that is why it is a good idea for a man to draft one for his wife.

Fem said:

I must be an idiot to still be surprised at this.
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No question about this. You are an idiot for simply being here against the rules and trying to convince men that you some sense..

Here’s the key, ladies. We don’t care about clothes sitting on the floor. Isn’t it obvious? We just don’t care. Do you understand? In the same way you don’t care about who won the game last night.

I understand it’s one of your major priorities. Can you understand that for men it is not? Anything we do with the laundry is done to accomodate *you*. In fact, most of what gets done in the house is the same way. From our perspective, you’re constantly freaking out over trivial matters.

Here’s another difference between men and women: we tend to put up with it and try to accomodate our partner. Many of you have to have everything your own way. Many of you don’t hestitate to make life miserable for your husbands until you do.

If we acted in the same way, you’d go nutters. Think about how you’d react if your husband demanded every day that you park at exactly the right angle, and chewed your ass every time he thought you didn’t quite get it. I know how you’d react. A week or two of yelling and crying and then a divorce.

Women just don’t know how good they’ve got it these days.

Strength and Honor

Jesus, you’re full of shit, Femme.

-Dick

The man in Dick’s story is a bonafide nutjob.

Enya said:

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I don’t think it is a bad idea to draw up a more specific contract for marriage, but there should be one for women and men too.

I agree. I think I even said as much somewhere above.

These should not be hard rules as to how many nights a week you should have sex or whatever, but a communication of what your basic needs are so that you both know where your expectations stand. Like it or not, everyone has expectations of a marriage. Makes sense to outline them from the outset. The example above is a bit over the top, really. The basic idea is not bad though. Would be interesting to pilot….

Agreed. It won’t solve all problems, or even a majority, but it will solve more than it creates.

-wolfe

Enya, these men are a waste of time talking to. You will notice that they failed to answer my question. No suprise.

I don’t remember posting any comments on this article, so I am not sure why Fem is addressing me.

To be honest I think these guys have a point. You bring up some things that are a bit … well, unimportant. Whether or not a guy manages to get his clothes into a wash-basket (annoying as though that may be) does not really matter in the long run. That comment does not apply to all men either, for example I live with a guy who is very, very tidy, even to anal standards, I would bet that my flatmate would put his clothes in the wash-basket.

Also, the issue with things like constant sexual commands does sound like you picked the wrong kind of partner for you… some people are more demanding in this area than others, this is not male-specific. Some women are demanding in this respect too, from what I understand.

I don’t think it is a bad idea to draw up a more specific contract for marriage, but there should be one for women and men too. These should not be hard rules as to how many nights a week you should have sex or whatever, but a communication of what your basic needs are so that you both know where your expectations stand. Like it or not, everyone has expectations of a marriage. Makes sense to outline them from the outset. The example above is a bit over the top, really. The basic idea is not bad though. Would be interesting to pilot….

Phoeey abaddon. Obviously I don’t like arguing but you were clearly both trying to change my mind and start a battle with me. e.g.

Like abaddon, I was only trying to make you think and see other perspectives. Some of what you said was valid, some of it wasn’t, and some of it you’d have to work very hard and look carefully at men to ensure you make a good choice.

Yeah, you’ve made me think. Seriously.

Good. Glad to hear it.
-wolfe

Fem said:

Phoeey abaddon. Obviously I don’t like arguing but you were clearly both trying to change my mind and start a battle with me. e.g.

Hmm, no Fem I was trying to show you that MAYBE, just maybe you are taking things too seriously. I was explaining (i’ll use smaller words next time) that some men when they get home(like myself) are extremely TIRED because they have to work at physically exhausting jobs. I was also trying to tell you that “MAYBE” you made the wrong choice for a partner.

Strength and Honor