Hate to bring up Montel Williams again, but in the show I watched - about crazy women who killed their husbands - the excuse given to defend these women was the aformentioned “moment of irrationality” argument.

One very baffled guy was like, ok - so what’s to say she doesn’t get a “moment of irrationality” again? What’s to say she doesn’t flip out at the supermarket and kill again?

Not one of the people defending the poor, misunderstood murderers could answer this question - so they openly mocked him instead.

Sickening.

You guessed it, Geeza. Or should I say: you didn’t.

-Dick

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Enya said:

So you never have moments of irrationality, Geeza? You are one solid body of pure reason every single moment of everyday?

Your question wasn’t about me, it was about men and women in general. But as a woman would typically do, you resort to personal comments and sarcasm because you didnt like my answer.

But since you ask, no I do not have ‘moments of irrationality’. I take calculated risks, I make mistakes, I weigh cause and effect whether it has to do with my business or my relationships.

What the fuck is a ‘moment of irrationality’ anyway? Another excuse for a woman to deny responsibility for her actions?

Is sarcasm a mark of maturity in your culture, Enya? Because in a man’s world, it is not.

-Dick

So you never have moments of irrationality, Geeza? You are one solid body of pure reason every single moment of everyday?

Enya said:

I know this is way off-topic here, but I am curious as to what you guys think of the following statement:

“Men tend to have irrational sentiments, while women tend to have irrational opinions.”

I don’t know how much interest any of you guys have in Jung - but I figured the article may interest to you and spark an interesting discussion?

Want to discuss this, go to the forum. We are hardly going to discuss it on this page with women suffering from mutiple personality disorders lurking about, are we !

Sounds more like someone trying to sound profound and full of insight, but is in actual fact talking complete nonsense.

Just take the term ‘irrational’ on its own and you could only apply it to women regardless of whether you are talking about opinions, sentiments, emotions, reactions or behavior in general.

Women may or may not have said such things, Dick.

Yet that is not what I was saying in my post above. The link was a critique upon feminism based on a theories from Jung and more besides. I was more interested if anyone agreed with that statement or not and why. I am still reading the site. Quite an interesting viewpoint. Not sure I agree with all that he is saying. Would be interested to know what you think of it.

Women like to offset their shortcomings with mythical shortcomings in men. Such as:

Women can’t work, but we’re better than men in the home!

It’s simply not true and reeks of desperation.

-Dick

I know this is way off-topic here, but I am curious as to what you guys think of the following statement:

“Men tend to have irrational sentiments, while women tend to have irrational opinions.”

I don’t know how much interest any of you guys have in Jung - but I figured the article may interest to you and spark an interesting discussion?

Excellent way to learn a language, Dakota. Go to the country or countries that speak that language. I am not learning French (as much as I would love to) I am learning Spanish. The same happens in Spain, one may get an American film dubbed into Spanish or The Simpsons. It is very surreal, if you already know the real voices of the actors and actresses. I am currently in Spain and contending with a rather bizarre southern accent, so I know what you mean about the differences between a standard language and regional variation.

Opens your mind (and ears) to how complicated language can be (including your own) and also you get a better insight into the people and the culture. Love it.

Oh, and if you’re a student of the French language, you haven’t lived until you’ve sat in the common room at McGill University staring open-mouthed at the 1960s Batman TV series dubbed in French. Something about Chief O’Hara’s lips moving to an unmistakably stereotypical Irish brogue while perfect Parisian French spews from his mouth is just plain surreal …

Enya said:
That is so great that you are fluent in French and English. I am learning a language at the moment and it is really hard work, takes a lot of time. Did you learn to speak French or are you bilingual in the sense that you grew up with French and English speaking parents? (Is green with envy…wishes she could speak a second language fluently!!)

My knowledge of French is simply due to several years’ classes in high school and college. Had I known what I was doing at the time, I’d've probably minored in it because it would have been an easy minor for me.

I’ve also been on a couple of foreign language study tours to rural Quebec — easily as useful a way to engross yourself in the language as a trip to France, but in a different way. Imagine being a Frenchman taught English by British speakers and an upper-class British accent, and then being thrown into the deep South of the US. The farther you get from Quebec City, the less English is spoken, and the dialect is truly bizarre if you’ve learned French with a Parisian accent. On my second trip, I spent a couple of weeks being sort of an interpreter for my classmates who’d never been there before. They knew the French, but the dialect really threw them for a loop.

I also learned that in Quebec City, the phrase, “Je suis touriste Americain,” is your ticket to endless amounts of alcohol regardless of how massively underage you may happen to be. ;)

Kate,

Please don’t take what I say to be an attack on you. It’s not. Hey, you essentially get paid to do high quality factual blogging of trivial stuff. That’s cool.

But, reading your employer’s [NB- not naming it and please no one do] news feed… after mere moments, I felt little pieces of my soul dying (For Dakota and athiests: many brain cells dying).

There’s a grey and tawdry emptiness to such things that all the Hollywood sparkle and glitter can’t quite conceal.

How can you [a woman of some intelligence and discernment, judging by your past posts] stand it?

Christian, I’m going to pop up a link to some pretty pathetic and disturbing stuff on female prisons in the US in the forums when I get around to it. Goes nicely (though sadly) with what you said.

-wolfe

Up front, let me say that I owe you an apology, Kate. I haven’t been paying a lot of close attention to the site for a while, so I didn’t take the time to check your previous posts. My denigration of your abilities and intelligence was unfounded and ignorant, and I apologize.

kate said:

The Tyra story I picked up on simply because it IS so outrageous - I was genuinely shocked that she would say something so, well, stupid. I don’t agree with what she says but at the same time, it’s a good story, and my job is to spot stories and write them up. You may not like what she has to say, but that’s the angle of the story.

To be fair, I didn’t see anything of an angle, really — just repeating what she’d said. Nothing wrong with that, I just think letting it pass unchallenged ultimately leaves one with the impression that she’s somehow right.

Certainly the burden is always on the reader to judge for him/herself whether someone is an idiot based on what they say. At the same time, I’m a bit weary of these kinds of blurbs, in which someone says something particularly idiotic and no attempt is made to verify if there’s any validity to her claim.

So on the one hand, I’m sympathetic to what your job probably is, i.e. to watch for newsworthy events and simply report them. On the other hand, it’s just another in a rather endless list of frelling stupid remarks that apparently no one but me says, “Hey, why were these women put in prison, anyway?”

Look at it this way - it got your attention, and it got Dick’s attention, and it started a debate. Which is a good thing, right?

I’m unclear that it’s good, bad, or just plain neutral. I lean toward bad. Here’s why:

Tyra Banks is a pair of tits with legs. That’s what she’s known for, and she’s good at it. I don’t mind at all that she’s made a good living showing off her body.

I do not, however, think that being a pair of tits with legs lends her any degree of credibility outside of modelling, however. She’s probably a wonderful person to emulate if you want to be a successful model, but that’s it.

Popular culture, on the other hand, seems to have evolved to the point where celebrities are lent credibility in areas in which they have no understanding whatsoever. Tyra Banks and prisons is one such example, and there are many others: Sally Struthers and starvation; any member of SAG and any aspect of politics and world events; Howard Stern and … well, anything, really.

But when these ignorami show up on a podium somewhere, people cheer because they think it’s actually meaningful when they have an opinion on anything other than their own profession.

So getting a debate going over why women are in prison because some pair of tits with legs decided that it was all their husbands’ and boyfriends’ fault is at best a gigantic waste of time.

Want to talk about people being unjustly imprisoned? I can (and have) talked about it at great length. Don’t even get me started on recreational drug users who have committed no crime other than buying drugs and getting high. And perhaps there are some women in prison who are there unjustly.

These are all topics that can be rationally debated to some ultimately positive outcome. But getting sidetracked by a pair of tits with legs who doesn’t even have the intelligence to understand her own ignorance is pointless.

Yes, it’s the old “blame the male” for their own obnoxious and vicious behavior.
What a load of drivel, past are the days when women can raise their head above anyone else and take the higher road on morality or point the finger at bad behaviour of others.
Women alone are responsible for murdering more humans than any war or any weapon of mass destruction has ever destroyed. But again it’s the “we are blameless” routine.

This is exactly what lying feminists and their braindead lackies have been fraudulantly spreading for the last 40 odd years.

If women do anything wrong, it’s always someone else’s fault.

Women know nothing about personal responsibility or as we have been at lengths to explain, “cause and affect”, as it is exempted from women’s comprehension.
The feminasties even tried to exempt all women from any liability or punishment at all for “any” crime. They already know what they themselves were like.
They even started a program of exempting women from incarceration for any circumstance, which is still ongoing for the same reasons.

Stating inane excuses like “being too delicate or ruins their health”. The usual drivel we have come to expect from them. They want women to be able to do anything they like and not be held accountable.

And here we have another female playing the same tune.

Another feminised idiot.

Dakota Smith said:

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Interesting — I stand corrected, then.

However, if you wrote it, may I ask why it was done quite so obviously pro-Tyra’s insanity?

Now, I understand that in writing such blurbs, you’re probably just taking a press release and condensing it. I understand that you’re probably not a journalist and investigating the claims made by some whack-job celebrity like Tyra Banks isn’t in your job description.

But as a man whose ex-wife was sent to jail “because of me,” I’m a bit offended that Ms. Banks’ ignorant bullshit was further propagated without challenge. There are now dozens of sites on the Internet spewing her nonsense and Ghu-knows-how-many RSS feeds pulling it down.

And how many of them are out there rebutting her by, say, pulling up the court records to find out why these women Tyra feels so bad for are actually in prison? Is it really “because of the evil men in their lives,” or did any of them actually do something that deserved being plopped in a cell for a few years?

My guess is that we’ll never know. But Google her name, and all over the Internet you’ll find your article quoting her gibbering.

I am not a big fan of Tyra Banks - or of Oprah Winfrey, or Dr Phil - although I do watch them because it’s the easiest way to put your finger on the pulse of what women in America are being fed.

The Tyra story I picked up on simply because it IS so outrageous - I was genuinely shocked that she would say something so, well, stupid. I don’t agree with what she says but at the same time, it’s a good story, and my job is to spot stories and write them up. You may not like what she has to say, but that’s the angle of the story.

Look at it this way - it got your attention, and it got Dick’s attention, and it started a debate. Which is a good thing, right?

As far as I am concerned, every one of those women in prison is there because they broke the law - and that is exactly what Dick says in his article.

I actually saw a Montel yesterday where two women were being defended for killing their husband and ex-husband respectively - apparently it was a crime of passion and the women needed to be ‘understood’.

I understand that with your personal history the Tyra article would be offensive to you, and fair enough. But good things can come out of this crap as well, and if it gets any sort of discussion going, I think it’s worth it.

kate said:

Yes, I wrote the original - I work for a news entertainment network that sends news feeds out to sites such as google, aol, contactmusic, femalefirst, yahoo uk - so the exact same article should be all over the place, yes.

Interesting — I stand corrected, then.

However, if you wrote it, may I ask why it was done quite so obviously pro-Tyra’s insanity?

Now, I understand that in writing such blurbs, you’re probably just taking a press release and condensing it. I understand that you’re probably not a journalist and investigating the claims made by some whack-job celebrity like Tyra Banks isn’t in your job description.

But as a man whose ex-wife was sent to jail “because of me,” I’m a bit offended that Ms. Banks’ ignorant bullshit was further propagated without challenge. There are now dozens of sites on the Internet spewing her nonsense and Ghu-knows-how-many RSS feeds pulling it down.

And how many of them are out there rebutting her by, say, pulling up the court records to find out why these women Tyra feels so bad for are actually in prison? Is it really “because of the evil men in their lives,” or did any of them actually do something that deserved being plopped in a cell for a few years?

My guess is that we’ll never know. But Google her name, and all over the Internet you’ll find your article quoting her gibbering.

Enya said:

Yet, is it not possible that in all your 41 years of life on earth that you have met ALL women on planet earth? Sure, a great number of them - but, ALL?

Oh, I totally understand that the number of women I’ve met represent an insignficant and barely-measurable fraction of the total number of women on Earth. A figure like .0000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the total women comes to mind. I mean, it’s around three billion women on the planet, and I’ve met perhaps a few hundred.

The point I was trying to make was it is inaccurate to say that ALL women are a certain way, because you cannot know ALL women.

It’s true that it’s inaccurate, which is why I try to be precise about it, as you noted.

However …

While I’ve met a tiny fraction of the world’s population of women, I’ve now met enough that one can make some general observations about at least the ones in my culture. I wouldn’t say I could make observations about women in China nor in the Middle Eastern nations: I’ve never observed them directly and anything I know about them is worse than fifteenth-hand heresay.

One can also examine the historical treatment of women in both my own culture’s history and that of others.

Because of my general observations and the history I’ve read, I see no reason to question my general assumption that the next woman I may happen to meet on the street is almost certainly going to be a self-absorbed, greedy, irrational attention whore that is driven more by her moment-to-moment emotional state rather than rational thought.

It’s possible that the next woman will prove my assumption wrong: it has, after all, happened once in 41 years. It could happen again. But the odds are against it, given my experience.

Bottom line: I’ve met only one “sane” woman in 41 years out of (being charitible) the 300 or so I’ve ever met. It’s therefore pretty bad odds that I’m going to meet another sane one any time soon. In fact, if the direction of pop culture is any indication, I’d say that the odds are getting worse all the time.

Could it happen? Sure. But it would be a bad idea to bet any money on it.

Dakota Smith said:

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I don’t understand. The exact same text appears not only at ContactMusic.com, but also here, here, here, here and here, … and those were just the ones I found on the first page of Google.

So of all those sites, where did you originally post it? And why does it appear identically on multiple sites all over the Internet?

Yes, I wrote the original - I work for a news entertainment network that sends news feeds out to sites such as google, aol, contactmusic, femalefirst, yahoo uk - so the exact same article should be all over the place, yes.

That’s how it works.