Wolfe said:

My three principles for this site?
1. Women aren’t the enemy;
2. Feminism is the enemy.
3. Men are better than women. (—- most important..

So true. *Applauds*

Sots’ comments went overboard (the husband stuff) but if he can’t speak his mind freely here where else can he? If he is to temper his comments let him do so on the grounds of being convinced that his anger is making him irrational (as calmer heads convince him). But if it is to create some good impression on certain women…well that’s not what this site is for.

We as Men, in my view have a few choices in regards to Feminism, let it run its course, and allow it to destroy itself, accelerate its downward spiral, or try to create something better that allows all of us to live in peace. The question remains, what will we do?

Maybe, but the lasting stench will always be there and be there as a constant reminder.
I am all for blaming feminism on “women” as they stand to benefit the most from it and also assist in ensuring the denigration of all males is successfully carried out without so much as a single protest on their own barbaric behaviour.

The marriage strike is a plain and simple way of letting them know that they have made themselves unacceptable.

Also if any female on this site, moans and bitches because she is upset as she’s been told. That is just too bad. Don’t like it, then bugger off.

I would suggest, Gentlemen, that we refuse to be divided or distracted. It is women who thrive on division and who often have no qualms about generating conflicts at the personal level if it suits their egos. And zogmama I do not belive you guilty of this here.

–Nor do I, and I agree as well that it’s women that thrive upon conflict in that manner.–
I’m in no position to criticise sons as I have been guilty of a similar, possibly worse, outburst quite recently. What I would point out is that even if you do not agree with his manner it is predictable. I’m surprised more men don’t react that way to feminism as it stands.

–So am I, I have a theory about it, I think its because many men are “conditioned” (look up behaviorism or anything by Skinner) by both society and their mothers, and through their mothers and society, limited to their contact with their fathers. I think that the loss of the ideal of fatherhood is a part of the whole cancer that is eating away at the foundation or fabric of society. –

Feminists still talk about “maintaining the rage”. They are singularly blind to the growing rage of many men. And men have far more reason for anger than the early feminists did. They do need to see men’s tolerance as a rubber band. The further it’s stretched the harder it snaps.

–In my opinion, many women don’t understand cause and effect. I don’t think that they can’t, I simply view it as a part of human nature, since they don’t HAVE to, they don’t have to understand it. However, its a basic fact of life. I think that many individual women understand that their power structure (based upon sex) is in danger of collapsing. I also think that many women see what is happening to Men and don’t like it at all. However like many people, they’re afraid to speak up about it.

– We as Men, in my view have a few choices in regards to Feminism, let it run its course, and allow it to destroy itself, accelerate its downward spiral, or try to create something better that allows all of us to live in peace. The question remains, what will we do?

-Strength and Honor-

abaddon_fff, I have no doubt of the impending destruction of the disease that is feminism.

But until then a man can be a pussy whipped failure who takes orders from a woman who cheats, lies, and steals and be an abomination before the divine, or live a cold life of loneliness. Sometimes it’s too painful to deal with.

-If he so chooses Son. That is his choice, and the only thing that you can really do is try to wake him up to the lie that is Feminism whether or not its worth it, is really up to you to decide.

@abaddon: son has attacked me personally on the basis of physical characteristics, moral and ethical trespasses, and called me many, many crude and hurtful names. He has attacked my work, my family, and my morals.

–I never said anything about it being “right” zogmama. I simply explained why it is happening to you. Son of the sons is an extreme form of what feminism has done to a lot of Men in my view. What I am actually trying to do is show you that.

He doesn’t know me. I have not identified my politics. I am not an apologist for an entire gender, nor any specific subgroup. I express only what I know. I am perplexed by the fact that his angriest crusade against me is that I refuse to respond in kind against him, or against another man - my ex-husband.

–A good way of dealing with it zogmama in my view. —

The very suggestion that there may be exceptions to the rules set forth about women seems to anger him and causes him to project much anger toward me. His posts are increasingly violent in nature.

-I am not a medical professional, however one must ask where it all comes from? There are many variables that could be the root cause of this anger. I think there’s a general sense of frustration and anger caused by feminisms refusal to respond to Mens grievences, as well as the fact that many Men are waking up to how feminism has either ruined or enslaved them through the political process.

If you read my posts, you will see that I rarely bother to defend myself, but when he slurs my children, and my ex-husband, I draw the line. That’s the definition of strength and honor.

-I agree, and a line should be drawn in that situation zogmama, that’s the essence of Strength and Honor. The ability to draw a line, to have the strength to do so and the honor to accept the end result even if it goes bad for you.

-Strength and Honor-

-Lord of the Pit-

Borat meets a senior fellow at Cambridge university who says women aren’t creative, but that they are clever.

And I did join military to defend this republic after 9/11, not for college money or something to put on a future resume. I’ve seen things more terrible than war. I’ve seen warriors defending a people that don’t give a fuck, who’s wives have left them or are pregnant with another man’s child when they return home from protecting them. Such treachery is no longer even taboo in the US.

What do battle hardened warriors do when they return home to feminist utopia? How do they fit in? They don’t. And I fear the consequences of what is to come..

gwallan said:I would suggest, Gentlemen, that we refuse to be divided or distracted. It is women who thrive on division and who often have no qualms about generating conflicts at the personal level if it suits their egos. And zogmama I do not belive you guilty of this here.
I’m in no position to criticise sons as I have been guilty of a similar, possibly worse, outburst quite recently. What I would point out is that even if you do not agree with his manner it is predictable.

An excellent post, gwallan. Sots has every reason to be angry about what feminism has wrought. I don’t blame him one bit. Yeah, I don’t think Zogmama deliberately set out to do this. If I did, I’d have made it clear I wanted a pox on her house. (In case any literalist women are reading, that’s what we in the writing trade call a ‘metaphor’, rather than a suggestion that biological warfare should be employed against her)

I won’t be a cause of division, and I hope sots understands that. That’s precisely why I say that while I disagree with the tone of Sot’s posts, now that he’s made it clear he wasn’t threatening anyone (which I didn’t believe in the first place), my position is that the final bottom line is that he’s the one with the right to post; she’s the one with the right to be offended, given site rules. Not fair perhaps, but extremely clear.

I ask Sots to consider his strategy and the effect he’s having. I also asked him to consider who he was using it on. (see post 53) I didn’t repeatedly ask, since he’ll either listen to one request or none. No point pestering the man. I did speak up again when it was clear there was an imbroglio.

The problem as I see it is this: anger is often a weapon in the hands of your adversary.

Righteous anger is a good thing, even a holy thing. And sots’ anger against feminism is certainly the former. But it’s a very dangerous thing as well, as any who study the divers fields of fighting/battle/argument/dialogue know.

-wolfe

son of the suns said:

Obviously you and Wolfe are still fast asleep.

I disagree. I will say this much: I’ve lived with the virus of feminism and seen its malign affects for a great many years now. I’ve seen families destroyed by it, and careers crippled. Asleep I’m not.

And here’s some knowledge for you about the Iraqi prison travesty: The most egrigious acts commited such as the piling up of naked men on top of eachother and torchering them was commited by a FEMALE probably bisexual sadist who has no business in a war anyway.

I concur. Worse yet, I’d bet there are some pretty horrible travesties and molestations being committed in our prisons, against male inmates by female guards. Remember where most of that crew on prison detail came from … they were domestic prison guards in civilian life. And yes, “Pfc” England had no business being there, and didn’t merit the title or the uniform.

Wolfe: Prior to “womens liberation” or as I call it “the rise of decadence and the countdown death clock of the West”.. 99% men treated women the same way you and Dakota do. Did it stop the plague that has spread across this world?

No, but that’s neither here nor there. You are mistaken if you believe I think every women should be treated with extraordinary deference. Merely those that merit it. See below.

I don’t know what Dakota thinks.

Are your continuing naive attitudes that “women are to be loved, cherished, and respected” going to stop it now?

That’s not the quote.

That doesn’t mean women are awful, or anything less than (in the case of a good woman) to be cherished, loved and respected.

Note the boldface bit. While it may well be that somewhere between 90 and 99% of American/Western women are no good, hence unworthy of being treated that way, until they have proven otherwise via their actions or words (which they often do upon typing a single sentence upon entry to this site) I believe it appropriate to treat them as though they are worth it.

Your views may differ, and I certainly respect that. But I’d ask you to consider my approach. I believe most women fall into one of several categories:
1. Crazed feminists, cannot be redeemed.
2. Spoiled lunatics.
3. Inflicted with the illness of feminism but possible to communicate with.
4. Semi-rational human beings.
5. Entirely rational human beings.

I have met few in category 4, but a fair number in category 3. I have yet to meet any in category 5, but then very few men fit that as well. A great many women are as you suggest:

Western women are a spoiled child in their teens, they’ve been given allowances

You don’t simply change the course of a bad apple’s life by calling them stupid and showing them the way, they won’t listen. Some times it calls for more aggressive measures.

Consider what you are realistically achieving with zogmama.

You had her convinced (stupidly, I’d think, but Dakota saw it too. Go figure) that you were threatening violence against her.

Here’s what I saw your whole beheading statement as:

Over in Iraq I saw some bad things. I saw what happens when a society can come near breakdown. I think we’re headed that way, generally because of feminism, and public beheadings won’t be as remote from America as we may currently think.

You can tell me if that’s accurate.

But that’s not what she (reasonably, I guess, since Dakota saw it too) saw. So, she goes away from the site convinced that you are a crazy scary nut. This is irrational of her, but not patently unreasonable, given Dakota’s own conclusions.

And you’ve solved nothing. You’ve gained nothing for the cause.

I am quite happy to have category 1 and 2 women go away from this site thinking “lolz these guyz are all crazy/fagz/evil/stupid hahahaha”. There is no reasoning with them, and they simply waste bandwidth.

I would prefer to have category 3-5 women going away thinking something between (”They don’t want me here” to “Maybe those guys have a point”).

Now, maybe you believe all women are category 1-2. If so, we disagree. Fair enough. Maybe you don’t care if all women go away thinking this site is filled with stupid/evil/crazy men. Also fair enough. If you think either of those two things though, consider my points and think about them.

You may also think zog is a category 1-2 woman. I don’t. Moreover, I believe some of the most powerful allies in the years ahead will be mothers of sons that watch their boys growing up in feminist utopia.

No question. Feminism has become (if it was ever anything else, which is questionable) a highly damaging and incredibly destructive force that likely will reap a whirlwind. But I do believe many women are at least dimly aware that there is something not quite right with the present state of our society — 6 year olds dressing as skanks, huge out of wedlock birth rates, men rapping about women as ‘hos and b*tches, and women going for the bling.

I think we’re better off engaging those women that we can and making them think.

But I have to go because the creatine I took has absorbed into my blood and it’s time for a work out, that’s what blood thirsty neanderthal vets like me do best..

I don’t think of you that way at all. And make no mistake. Under the strict rules of this site, you’ve got the right to say whatever you want to say and zogmama has the right to … be offended and say nothing.

You served — this would have been true in peacetime as well — to help defend our rights to speak freely. That may or may not have been your goal, but that was one of the benefits for civil society. I honor that service.

All that said, you are gravely mistaken to believe I am asleep or naive.

With respect for you, and great respect for your service,
-wolfe

If I recall accurately, I told you this place will grow on you. Now if only you can grow on Son or Dick. Or a tree if it will please all parties involved?

Will suffice :)?

Cheers.

-I see crazy people
-In your dreams?
-…
-On Capitol Hill?
-…
-Crazy people, like in the NRA? Amok?
-Walking around like regular people. They’re not sane to each other. They’re only sane when they want to be sane. They don’t know they’re crazy.
-How often do you see them?
-All the time. They’re everywhere.

Just good wholesome humour from a not so leftist pinko.

Cheers.

son of the suns said:

Dakota: When the fuck did I say I was going to behead Zog? I merely said that feminists are the same type of scum that has been cast from power and killed by the oppressed all through history. I never said I would be doing the beheading, or even be alive before the men of this planet wake the fuck up.

I’ve decided that wolfe is right and I’m going to take the high road on this one. Give it a few weeks, come back, and decide what your post about beheading reads like from an outside perspective. I’ve said all I’m going to.

Obviously you and Wolfe are still fast asleep. And as far as you and your friends shooting me to death, I can only say “wow”.

Just want to be clear: if I witness an initiation of force against anyone near me, I’ll defend the victim. If stopping that initiation of force means a bullet between the perpetrator’s eyes, I’ll not hesitate.

That said, I hope I’m never in a position to need to do it.

And here’s some knowledge for you about the Iraqi prison travesty: The most egrigious acts commited such as the piling up of naked men on top of eachother and torchering them was commited by a FEMALE probably bisexual sadist who has no business in a war anyway.

I am entirely aware of that. My point, again, is that that there are people who view soldiers as inherently bloodthirsty and sadistic. If a soldier intimates that someone should be beheaded, they lend credence to those peoples’ views. It’s not fair and I don’t like it, but that’s the way it is.

Wolfe: Prior to “womens liberation” or as I call it “the rise of decadence and the countdown death clock of the West”.. 99% men treated women the same way you and Dakota do. Did it stop the plague that has spread across this world? Are your continuing naive attitudes that “women are to be loved, cherished, and respected” going to stop it now? Western women are a spoiled child in their teens, they’ve been given allowances they don’t earn, cheated, lied, stealed, and are fast approaching violent destruction and bringing the entire house with them. You don’t simply change the course of a bad apple’s life by calling them stupid and showing them the way, they won’t listen. Some times it calls for more aggressive measures.

But I have to go because the creatine I took has absorbed into my blood and it’s time for a work out, that’s what blood thirsty neanderthal vets like me do best..