Women Hate Babies
Women hate children.
Remember that book Hillary Clinton wrote called “It takes a Village to Raise a Child”? I don’t know if that was the exact title. It’s not important enough of a thing for me to remember in that manner of detail. That was the point though; that women can’t raise children on their own. They need help and more importantly they need men.
Remember that movie Three Men and a Baby? I do remember that title exactly because that was a good fucking movie. What was the moral of that movie?
Men don’t need shit to raise shit — babies.
Women fucking suck at raising children. Men can raise children, work full time jobs, maintain hobbies like drinking and bowling, and all while saving time to chase tail. That’s because men are men. We’re better parents and when it comes to living life we’re like octopuses on crack; our tentacles in one hundred different pies.
Women hate babies and children. That’s why women love little dogs so much — because they’re all fucking sick.
Want to know how you’ve really pissed off a woman? One good way to know is that fucking her isn’t like fucking a futon. She’s still terrible at it, but don’t feel bad about giving her credit for enthusiasm. Women need all the charity they can get.
Another good way to know if you’ve gotten under a woman’s skin is if she’s speaking to you like a child. When women are yelling and screaming, that’s about a 5 on the feminine anger scale. A 1 on the scale is the silent treatment. That lasts for about a week or until said woman figures out that’s the dumbest fucking way on Earth to show a man you’re upset with him. That’s like heaven to a man. It also has never lasted less than a week.
When a woman is talking to you like a child — very patronizingly and almost giddy with a repressed psycho-mania — that’s when you know you’ve pissed her off. By the way, that’s also when you know she’s about ten seconds away from pulling your pants off. That’s information you can use at your discretion.
That’s why women shouldn’t be allowed to raise babies on their own. They hate babies. Women treat people they hate the same way they treat children — patronizing and bubbly. Men don’t ever pull that kind of shit. When a man is upset, he calmly, cooly, and sternly explains himself. Men treat babies differently than people they hate. That’s what I’m saying here.
It’s a myth that women like babies. They just want to have them. They want to have babies like they want to have purses and Starbuck’s. The only difference is you can’t sell babies on eBay.
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Having a child and taking care of a child is a lifelong commitment. A women would be crazy to view a child as a want like a purse or a puppy. It takes years of dedication and hard work to raise children. They are not dolls for dress up. A women who wants a small dog over a child is at least smart enough to know children are too much for them.
I don’t understand why women would want the responsibility of being important anyway. They are taken care of by their men and that should be good enough.
Fear of men, inferiority complexes. It’s a bit more complex than that but basically can be summarized this way.
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Here is irrefutable proof that women (most) hate babies. Modern American women does two things very well; bitch and moan. She and her husband have a couple of kids, both work (gender equality, remember?). She always claims the husband doesn’t do shit around the house or help with the children, which is a bold faced lie to make her look like she does more than she actually does. If she stays at home and ‘cares’ for the children, all we hear is ‘how much hard work’ it is. A father stays home with the children, scratches his head and wonders ‘what the fuck is she complaining and/or talking about’? It’s NOT work, they are your children, you dumb ass broad. It seems if it doesn’t involve doing your nails, gossiping on the phone for hours on end, spending someone else’s hard earned money, getting a spa treatment, cheating on your husband, shopping for idiotic and worthless items, feeding your fat face, admiring yourself in the mirror, or doing more of those self absorbed things that you do 24 hours a day, it’s work. Women hate babies because they claim babies are work. Men are better for babies and children than women.
well ya mst be a sum1 who didn’t get neluv frm a mother…or ur mum mst hv left ya or sumthng other wise ya wudn’t cum up wid such an article…mothers r known to b kindest person on earth…dey luv der child if dey wudn’t hv den i guess mother earth wud b father earth…der wudn’t b a mother mary bringin up jesus der wud b a father…n guess mst child custody wud go to da father bt dat dosn’t happen cuz ya bring logic totally out of nowhere widout ne meaning… hw can ya hate a mother gawd…do one dat lukd afta ya fr 9 months…tell cud ya live fr 9 months carryin a lyf in ur stomach nt being able to do mst of da thngs ya lyk …lyk drinkin n stuff….n liv fr dat lil lyf in ur body…ya wudn’t evn last a week let alone months…no wonder god made sure ya’ll dnt take care of babies…
JESUS TO HI S OWN mother “Woman what does thou have to do with me”
Compelling, although not very insightful – or readable.
Buy a dictionary. Please. Then use it to reference EVERY word you think you know how to spell before you write it.
God has nothing to do with a woman’s genetic role. Didn’t you hear? God, who is apparently a man by the way was killed by Darwin. Now he was a real man rather than a made up supernatural one.
He had a man beard that we can all appreciate.
and just think
fat chris kills babies every time he sees one
after he trys to rape them
god, chris, you sick fucking piece of trash
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS DECENT AND HOLY
LEAVE CHILDREN ALONE
STOP RAPING LITTLE BOY, LITTLE GIRLS, AND BABIES
GOD, THE JAILS ARE TOO OVERCROWDED WITH
YOU GUYS
STOP
STOP
STOP
JUST STOP RAPING YOU FUCKING IDIOT@!!!
PUT THAT LITTLE FUCKING THING AWAY
i dont hate babies, i just think im incapable of raising them. due to my fragile nervous system, mental illness. and maturity to realize that i may not indeed turn out to be a good parent. and i dont want them. that is why human nature is corrupt. if you read scientific literature people can become corrupt if they are not raised and nurtured properly.
I’LL GLADLY CARVE YOUR CUNT MOUTH WILL A KNIFE YOU RETARDED GOOD FOR NOTHING BITCH!
Yea i agree with jack. Kill the cunts!
I agree with some of your thoughts. On the other hand, I disagree. For instance, you assume most women hate babies. Guess what, I dont want children, you want to know why? I never had an electra complex because my father was a dick. a pathological narcissist,( they are abusive) and guess what ( talking to you like a child, they come in all sexes. My father threw a fucking sock at me when i was a baby. my mother never did this, If you had a bad mother, youre going to perceive all women as bad or this may be because you continue to subconsciously get into relationships with cruel women. I know this because i did this with men. For instance, my dad raged and got angry. He hated me the most, not my brother because i was female. I never resented my brother for this ( as most people would assume) because i loved him. so there you go I’m not a man-hater. at times i would sacrafice and protect him. most women who are narcissistic, tend to be more frigid and cock-teasers as opposed to women who are capable of feeling” narcissism is the absense ( actually, denial of feeling) hey some) men suck in bed as well. and others, are relatively good. Im not religious, but you may want to check out genesis.” women and men are no different. Or people come in good and bad regardless of whether they are male or female.
so, i have thought disorder, let me get to the point,,,
i wanted to find a gentle man, someone opposed to my father, who wouldnt rage, or insult, or berrate me because he was angry with his mother. but guess, what, some men play the silent treatment too. And some” do this to control women. You might want to read up on some literature on the passive aggressive male. So, you see where I’m coming from. I subconciously was* ( although i try not to at times) find men who resemble my father. though i wasnt looking for it. Yes, women can be cruel, catty, jealous, competitive, man bashing selfish, but so can men. Not all women are like this. And if youre wondering why i becam this way, all brainy and shit, its because i was rejected* by males early in adolescence. this is also a freudian theory, so you dont percieve me as being haughty, or trying to control. Most of the literature ive read up on. usually ( if you have an oedipal complex females it might be otherwise but, men are more about control and ( normal) women . empathy. trying to teach or build consensus for the better views of mankind.
some of what frederich neitszche said about women was true( but his sister stole his work, and he most likely was raised with narcissistic women. SO i tend to see his point, disgregaurd what i dont entirely agree with and try to understand him and his perspectives,as a person and philosopher.
check your browser samuel vankin narcissism why narcissistic men hate females. and tend to be abusive. same goes for some( **cruel *feminists who treat there husbands like shit.
GO FUCK YOUR OWN GENDER WHORE-BITCH! JUST KEEP BLEEDING EVERY MONTH BITCH!
He threw a sock at you???
Emergency aid..
Oh, God, another father hater. Run for cover…incoming…
Haha, ok fine. I’m pretty much ashamed to be a man reading some of these things on here. Why don’t the rest of the men on this page go and be gay with each other if you want all women gone from earth. Why don’t you try and have a child and attempt to squeeze it out of your genitals? Of course your incapable to do that. Clearly none of the men here have been in a good relationship. So your probably all lonely porn-addicted men. And as for people saying “Women only come here to bitch.” Well yes, your accusing them of many terrible things. Also wanted to add, Dick is all in it for the money. He just sits here watching all you Weeping gross men cry & cheer over little online blogs and Dick’s goal is to make women come on here and feel upset over the site and fight back and it just causes controversy. If there was a website http://www.Womenarebetterthanmen.com im pretty sure we would have men coming on there complaining but hey, women don’t see the need to put such ridiculous websites up. If you had a fantastic relationship with a woman like i do right now, i doubt you would be saying any of these things. Continue crying and making Dick a rich man. To the lonely men here you seem to be doing a good job!
Those are quite the assumptions to make. Would you bet your life on them?
You’re pretty much ashamed to be a man?? Why?? Because we are men who do things in OUR best interest instead of a woman’s? I am “pretty much” ashamed to hear that haven’t had nearly enough experience with women.
You gynocentric manginas and “nice guys” are a JOKE.
No wonder you finish last.
In fact – you have a deep, inherent belief that you are BETTER than other guys because you are so “nice”.
“Nice guys” offer women compliments, worship, kindness, generosity, unearned “respect” and adoration no matter WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OR HER BEHAVIOR.
Yeah , you heard me.
—>> You are “nice” NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OR HER BEHAVIOR.
That’s not “nice”. That’s LAME.
And that’s not a “good relationship” either. That’s a man without standards (or choices) who will do – and say – anything for pussy.
In fact, you “nice guys” actually think you have that all figured out, until your “amazing relationship” girlfriend cheats on you (or leaves you) and fucks another guy like me….. while you are left standing there scratching your head wondering what happened because you were always so “nice” to her.
But when you are being NICE in order to make someone LIKE you more — YOU’RE BEING MANIPULATIVE.
And women KNOW when they are being purchased.
They LOVE getting a diamond ring from a ‘nice guy’.
They LOVE being treated like hookers who will fuck you when you are so nice and will buy them things, don’t they. What a “good relationship” you have – treating your girlfriend like a prostitute who will fuck you as long as she is getting something ELSE.
You think you’re paying for it NOW???
Just wait.
That goes for all you NICE girls out there, too. Stop being a doormat for cripe sakes! Make him accountable, make him earn respect. Don’t cook for him, clean for him, give him backrubs, stroke his ego….etc.
Until he proves he’s worth it!
Sex is okay though because it’s just sex. :)
Give it a rest bitch.
You’re not paying for drinks or dinner…. nor do even make the effort to walk up and introduce yourself. Nor do you work a year of your life to save 2 months of after-tax savings to purchase a diamond ring to “ask for permission to love him”.
Accountable??
MEN PAY alimony and 95% of child support for you lazy cunts who can’t – or won’t.
Get your stinky pussy off this website.
And clean your mother out next time your done.
Im serious.
Menarebetterthanwomen.
{{Don’t cook for him, clean for him, give him backrubs, stroke his ego….etc. }}.
Why bitch, thats your job, thats your duty as wife??..
If you are not good for that, why don’t you simply fuck off??..
GTFO fro this site.
{{Until he proves he’s worth it! }}
A man does not have to prove anything to wimmin.
You bitches better prove yourself whether you are fit for man’s love & affection through your action & deeds.
Chsingfantasy is one of the women who came here stupid and left smarter.
After convo with Chris, she admited HE was right.
Yes, go suck chrises ass more maybe he will let you into his little angryman club
YOU are the angry little cunt who won’t get off my cock.
Angry? are you kidding?
I already came twice.
Court ordered, yes. But how many of them actually follow through?
Where are those statistics?
Wrong cunt. Not court ordered. Men pay child support for CHILDREN THAT ARE NOT EVEN THEIR OWN. Because you fraud hookers will lie to your men and children for dear life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternity_fraud
Your statistics are right there if you did your fucking homework….
Statistics from the United States, Australia and other countries suggest that approximately 30% of all paternity tests exclude the putative father as biological father.
Fuck you’re stupid.
That means 70% ARE the father. Yes, fraud exists. But I still don’t see statistics of men who are ordered to pay child support…and then don’t!
Why would you need to see that statistic when it’s still legal in this country for a woman to allow herself to get pregnant without a man’s consent.
Now go play sperm vaccuum on a fat cock.
its time for your feeding.
Okay, once again Mr. Logical…let me explain.
You preach that it’s up to women to decide what to do with their own bodies. Men ARE NOT responsible for birth control…, therefore; women are to “blame” if they get pregnant.
So…using your logic there, then it’s also up to the woman TO GET pregnant!
You can’t have it both ways. There’s that gray that doesn’t exist again!!
Black. White.
Why is it the only thing women DON’T take seriously here is NO WOMEN ALLOWED – FUCK OFF THIS WEBSITE….. but they live and breathe every other word as gospel.
Fuck I can’t stop laughing.
This is what women are capable of…. and they STILL think they’re “special”.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01072009/news/regionalnews/husband_demands _1_5m_from_wife_for_kidne_149092.htm
Menarebetterthanwomen.
Owned!
Yes you certainly are.
Never yammer on about “logic” to a man when you don’t even have the basic understanding of logic that “fuck off and go away no woman allowed” means you are unwelcome and uninvited…. in exactly the same way that men are not welcome in the ladies room.
Men are not stupid enough – or rude enough – to intrude on a gaggle of women who don’t want them there.
Menarebetterthanwomen.
You are a moron, I can’t believe your woman let you use the computer to type your stupid shit. Well, you were typing something that her feminist ass would agree with so, nevermind, I know why she let you. But to the point, not all women are as stupid as Dick explains but most are, my wife agrees with me 100%. She loves our son and doesn’t talk to me like a child, maybe thats because I put my foot up her ass if she even thinks about it. Women can’t raise children without a man, my wife can’t even get our 2 year old to take her seriously. I stand up and he stops, so Dick is right, a man can raise a child by himself, but a women, fuck, not a chance, at least not a fully functional child.
Stop pretending to be a guy.
Bloody Bitch.
GTFO.
Studioline: You couldn’t be more wrong. I left this conversation knowing that I owned Chris! Read the words…it’s written very clearly. Or d o y o u n e e d m e t o s l o w d o w n f o r y o u?
You are right, I gave you too much of a credit. I take that back:)
It’s OK Studioline… for some reason, they really like to pretend fucking off is “their idea”.
You’ll almost NEVER hear a woman say “What you really don’t want me here? OK. I’m really sorry. Of course, I’ll leave right away. I didn’t mean to intrude. Bye.”
And you’ll DEFINITELY never hear her SHUT THE FUCK UP and leave on her own either.
Its quite astonishing how quickly you can tell a woman’s cunt factor.
It is astinishing, and gurls don’t know that.
The cunt factor, if its there is actually the first thing a man sees.
If its there?
Most women will INTRODUCE their cunt factor to you without an invitation. The dumbest cunts actually think it’s “attractive”.
Just recently a woman said to me “AND I’m a bitch. Get used to it.”
I couldn’t believe my fuckin’ ears.
So I said “No thanks. Leave.”
You should have seen the expression on her face. This happens regularly. They shove their cunt factor in your face and wonder why no man will call again.
Menarebetterthanwomen.
Chris, do you mind that we are exchanging ideas?
I’d like to know because I respect all the advice you have given.
I suppose you don’t mind, so there is one idea:
Her – And I m a bitch, Get used to it. [ I assume this was after somoe interaction when you got some value already]
MAN’s responce – Well, Me, I do not even talk to bitches, so I guess we won’t be talking much, Bye then.
And you turn your back.
Now she has to engage you, or leave.
Interesting, and most of the time they WILL engage you when you walk away – or tell HER to.
But I am not the type who wants a girl who introduces herself as a bitch to “engage” me.
I would rather be engaged to a mole on my ass.
… a mole on my ass that looks exactly like Raisa.
That’s another story.
I can imagine the in US all women are this way. Cos this is a mandatory behaviour, they learn that since an early age. But I don’t know that for sure since Im not there. I just understand american culture and know that if there is a trend everyone – girl must follow and obey.
I know that by nature, this neurotic hehavior is not natural for women. Most of them are not born this way, only like lest’s say 40% maybe. It’s just an assumption, cos if you take a naturally normal woman and you expose her to brainwashing, who knows what’s the proportion. And everyone of the is.
The woman by nature is quite different to what the bahavior is right now. That’s why so much anger and confusion in women.
To rediscover for a woman her real self it’s quite a task and I don’t blame any man who doesn’t want to undertake such a task. Especially because he would then have to fight all the brainwashing, that is “in the air” all the time.
I just happen to know how to make that happen for myself. I guess it’s by an accident I might be as well a freak of a nature. So at the same time I know and observe that men, those who get into relationship do it all wrong. They don’t know how to stay in power and they never actually have it cos they never remove the Persona in the first place and women only play them from the day one.
I think what I got is kind of a gift and I would be happy to share this with other men/ people. But all technicly in detail how to do that, I don’t know yet.
At the same time I think – why men must always do all the work??? Why it must be always men and why these lazy bitches only know how to wait.
There is also the other way – If ALL men stoped to chase women for a month women would have to drop the Persona and go back to being real. When a man deals with a natural woman he naturally knows how to lead her.
The way I do it is first I seduce a woman, then I have sex with her and then I remove the Persona and then I have a natural women so can decide what can be done with that individual.
If the Persona was gone guys would naturally pick the process up from the last steap. Just like in the old times, kidn of.
BUT BACK TO THE TOPIC
Im curious if there in US you meet sometimes a woman who doesn’t have a BS – Persona attached to her???
Yeah of course. They exist.
In my experience its about 5% MAX of women you meet here. And only 5% of those 5% are actually American!
You could go through the rest of your life simply refusing to date ALL American women and you will NOT miss a THING.
…. in fact, not dating American women under any circumstances is actually GOOD FOR YOU.
SHIT
Then I don’t know what you guys will do because for a woman removing the Persona is as “easy” as for a person is to remove a cancer by themself.
Shit I have a cure and I can’t share it.
Most men think that seducing a woman = removing the Persona = everything will be fine after that.
No it won’t be. It’s just temporary relief, It’s like treating cancer with morphine, works for a limited amount of time. While you use morphine only bcause you wanna do the surgery.
Oh don’t get me wrong.
There are PLENTY of foreign women here.
Amercunts are PERFECT for sport-fucking and chucking. They are just not worth getting into a “relationship” with.
Just tell an American girl “I think you would make an interesting friend”…. and she will be swinging from your dick before the appetizers arrive.
I NEVER think about a “relationship” with a girl for at LEAST 3 to 6 months. What kind of sane man WOULD??
That’s just what WOMEN want.
…. and the moment you stop giving a rats ass about what THEY want, you are concentrating on what YOU want…. and what’s in YOUR best interest.
If anyone (especially a girl you barely know) has a “problem” with a man who does things that are in his best interest, then that’s HER problem.
Relationships and Marriages with American girls are not in a man’s best interest.
Fortuntately, there are PLENTY of foreign women in Los Angeles.
Ok I think I can see now your approach.
That’s a comforting thought, you are dealing with it so well.
I feel more peace now:)
Well you know how it is…. just approach any girl like you don’t want anything from her and you don’t have to do anything else.
• “Wow thats a big purse. You carry a GUN in there?”
• “Look at those NAILS!!! I think I better leave.”
• “I think you might make an interesting friend.”
etc.
AA,
Who said anything about being a wife?? Holy crap hon…pay attention!
Actually James, they do have websites advertising their feminist agenda against all things male, also they have control either directly or indirectly in at least 3 countries.
The United Kingdom alone has some of the most unrealistic anti-male tactics Ive ever seen.
The Unites States, is pretty much a clusterfuck of feminism, its in the media, the courts, much like the U.K.
Canada, loves a good divorce. I think their government just can’t wait for one to happen.
I think the unwanted element that keeps making their appearance on this site, knows damn well, we as men know there is something really fucked up going on in the world today.
Now as for the Topic “Women Hate Babies”, I gotta agree with this, I know plenty of women who would gladly hand over their newborns to someone else if they weren’t getting payed for it. Which is why abortions stay legal.
WHERE’S DIRTY, FILTHY MUZALON, UGLY, MURDERING JEWBOY EXTRAORDINAIRE?
GTFO and STFU, OR VICE VERSA, BITCH.
YES, I OWN THIS SITE………………..COME ON OUT, KIDDIES…………AT LEAST PRETEND YOU ARE MEN………..
YES, I OWN THIS SITE…………………..WHY DON’T YOU COWARDS COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK AND WRITE SOMETHING………I’VE GOT THE TIME TO TRY TO INTEPRET YOUR PATHETIC ATTEMPTS AT WRITING, IDIOTS………lol
You do quite PATHETICALLY on your own, thank you.
Hey!!! I’ve got a novel idea for the loons who resort to your “style,” though: why don’t you come up with SOME EVIDENCE for the VERY PERSONALIZED things you’re claiming on here? (Ha ha ha ha – yeah, right!)
You have, nevertheless, provided more and consistent evidence that the whimminly creatures which exist among us can’t handle ANYBODY who’s not kissing their ass, and by default, will resort to (very personalized) conjecture, and ad hominem.
WayToGo,Dingbat-
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YOU KNOW DICK’S GIRLFRIEND ALLOWS DICK TO RAPE HER CHILDREN?
Why, are you his girlfriend?
AND WHAT IS WITH THIS WEIRD OBSESSION WITH GERMAINE GREER? GOD, WHAT PLANET ARE YOU SUBHUMAN FAILURES ON ANYWAYS? GOOD GOD, NO WONDER WHY ALL OF YOUR NEVER ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING OF WORTH…………
GEEZ, JUST BLOW YOUR BRAINS OUT NOW, PRICKS……SERIOUSLY, THE WORLD DOESN’T CARE ABOUT YOU……LOL
LMAO- Wellllllll, cum dump for Daddy, if you had read anything on the site at all you would know. But, since you didn’t we just chalk you up to another worthless vagina, without a brain.
I OWN THIS SITE NOW…….lol……………………
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I OWN THIS SITE NOW…….lol……………………it said as it was hanging out of a birds ass.
What kind of pathetic moron are you ?
Hell, you’re not even worthy of being bird shit fertilizer.
LOL
Drew, you are a fucking idiotic failure who cannot spell, no wonder why your intelligent, classy mother wished you were dead.
Grow up and stop blaming successful women for your failures, you idiot. Geez, a 6 year old can spell better than you, you lazy prick.
Did any of you women-envying failures go to school? You seem borderline retarded.
Lol.
You amuse me. I am a woman. Frankly, I have no fear admitting I hate children, especially babies. Since I would put a baby in a blender face-first, I have no doubt believing that most men have superior parenting skills compared to me. In case you are wondering… No, I am not a fugly 300 pound square dike. I am a pretty petite blond B-cup great ass college student. And I like men. Men that assume they are greater than women, amuse me.
Don’t get me wrong. I would whoop your ass if you were ‘my’ man and wrote that shit your write online, but you could be my pet if you wanted too.
You are naughty.
I like naughty. Hah.
You are too good for these idiots…… :)
When you have a double 10″ pounder rammed in your ass & throat same time, maybe you gonna have to redefine the meaning of pet.
GTFO. Its a man’s site.
B cup ? LMAO. Not even a mouthful.
BTW, 82, no self respecting man would have a cunt like you, except to fuck you and chuck you. And unlike you, we don’t ASS-U-ME, we KNOW we are greater.
You couldn’t whoop any mans ass fucktard, not even your own.
Go kill yourself.
NO one asked you for your stupid opinions, fucktard. This is a man only site. YOUR opinions are only enough for men to lampoon, like the pig that banged your fat ass shit less into the vacuous space between your ears.
no one- male or female should ever walk out of their child’s life regardless of how miserable their partner is.
It’s so funny that you’ve based a whole article on a ficticious film!
Wow, I really hope you never have children- ’specially a girl.
Not that any woman would want men that have a superiority complex.
Or any self-esteem whatsoever… not you, anyway.
And it’s even funnier that you have based your whole life on a fictitious brain.
Blah, blah, misogyny, misogyny, evidence of being emotionally stunted, comments which can’t possible be serious.
Yawn. Nice joke article. Better than Nytol.
You call that a blow job, Magsy ?
If they can’t possibly be serious, why take them to heart?
Broads are so sensitive.
I’m a single woman and I don’t have children.
How old are you? 17?
Hahaha. Guys, have you watched “How I Met Your Mother”? You all should see the episode with the “Not A Father’s Day” jokes… They are hilarious, and it would be so awesome if you guys would start a club like that, it would be SOOO funny!!!
Tits, or GTFO.
Woman suck at raising children? If you check the percentage of men that have walked out on their families then you would be surprised to find most of those WOMAN that were left alone to raise their kids they turned out just FINE and NORMAL.. they come out of US.. so stfu go and get prego and try it out..loser.
Most single mothers feminize their sons. Leave alone the bias and violence they exert on their sons. That’s why mothers should be deprived custody of children.
If the women did their fucking job right and shut the fuck up that wouldn’t happen so much, fuck off she bitch.
You are wrong…my mam stayed at home till me & my brother were old enough to go to school…then like now works her ass off…she used to work early morning just so that she could see us in the evening…get your facts straight before you start saying women are shit at bringing up children! Do u have children! I work with children & know how hard work they are! So shut up you dick head!
Boo the fuck hoo. Your mom should not have had you until she was “READY”. If she was all that hot she would have planned out your childhood. She would have worked to make sure she had a house paid off,a man ready for child instead of falling for the ol pump-n-dump, and made sure she could STAY HOME and work with you the entire time not just until you could go to schoool. Your mother is a irresponsible child who was too shortsighted to plan her life and your life like she should. The only people who have problem with children are lazy idiots like you and her.
i bet your a yankee
Because Americans don’t rule the world, right?
WRONG
Yeah, every mother I’ve known (granted I grew up in a upper middle class, fuck it, upper class by everyone’s standard) was some yuppie piece of shit who didn’t work, got fat, spent ton’s of money on their stupid shit, neglected their kids, and were utterly useless to the family. I practically raised my younger brother because my mom was too busy stuffing her fat face and buying antiques that cost over $10,000 apiece on my dad’s doctor income, WHILE complaining that she never should have married him and that she was only staying together for “the kids�.
Take out the mention of class and you have every mother ever.
You are wrong…my mam stayed at home till me & my brother were old enough to go to school…then like now works her ass off…she used to work early morning just so that she could see us in the evening…get your facts straight before you start saying women are shit at bringing up children! Do u have children! I work with children & know how hard work they are! So shut up you dick head!
Basically, this whole comment was to show us what class you come from. Bravo.
little children under the care of single mothers should be in orphanages. Let some pros do it. without the father, mothers freak with —>little<— children.
Basic english freak you out, you lazy, uneducated retard. Shut up, just because YOUR mother wished she had the guts to abort you, you jealous garbage.
Basic english freak you out, you lazy, uneducated retard. Shut up, just because YOUR mother wished she had the guts to abort you, you jealous garbage.
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The above passes for gibberish and nothing else all the while critical of a man’s comments.
So typically female.
she was on when she wrote this
women are build to raise kids inside them , outside , nurture them with their tits,and to gather food for them.
But sick bitches say women are build to compete against men not for what i just said , men are not build to raise kids at all ,not inside or outside , or anywhere .
Those women that compete against men will get burned!!!!
On a serious note, I don’t think men or women are build to compete against each other, so it’s pretty ironic to see all the women bashing going on here, don’t you agree? And the > sign is also a sign of fierce competitiveness of the author. You just need a to take a short dive in world’s history to conclude MEN tried to compete with women in every possible way, mostly by trying to LIMIT their freedom and possibilities to develop into succesful individuals. Now, if women were so infrerior, they would not have tried to oppress an entire sex (50% of all people) for thousands of years……
But…
You being a male, probably means you don’t get laid enough. Just like the author. I understand, lol.
Ummm…no, she wasn’t. ‘Cept maybe the on the self-pity train.
I do agree that women want babies like they want purses and starbuck’s. Women are fucking retarded when it comes to babies. They just want a baby because it’s cute, like a fucking purse. There is zero logic in women’s reasoning why they want children. All they see is that it is cute like a pair of shoes. Let me tell you how retarded women are, my girlfriend bought a pair of heels based off of how cute they were. Ends up she could not walk in them for more than 10 minutes because they were so uncomfortable. I asked her why she bought them if they were so uncomfortable and she said because they were cute. What kind of stupid shit is that!!?? I told her she was fucking retarded just like every other woman. Women make stupid decisions based off of emotion and not logic. They love more worthless shit than any species ever. I agree with your comment that women should not be able to vote. Since women have been able to vote, the size of government has exploded. It was an actual sientific study that was done. You know why?? Because women need a man to take care of them and the government is that man. Look at all of these tax wasting bullshit programs to take care of worthless women. Women need security and the government is the way to do it. Makes me fucking sick!!!
Yeah, every mother I’ve known (granted I grew up in a upper middle class, fuck it, upper class by everyone’s standard) was some yuppie piece of shit who didn’t work, got fat, spent ton’s of money on their stupid shit, neglected their kids, and were utterly useless to the family. I practically raised my younger brother because my mom was too busy stuffing her fat face and buying antiques that cost over $10,000 apiece on my dad’s doctor income, WHILE complaining that she never should have married him and that she was only staying together for “the kids”.
im sure your just great at raising children, faggot. i bet you were there for the kid 100% of the time making sure mommy did it right. to bad she screwed up so much.
Men like you, or anyone like you for that matter who talks such shit deserve to be treated and spoken to like a baby because they are acting and behaving like babies. You’ve never raised a child before so why are you saying that you, or other men can do a better job.
Noone who swears when writing articles gets taken seriously. People who write like that sound like whiny children with too much time on their hands.
If woman are so crap at everything, then why aren’t you gay because they’re obviously not worthy to you.
Not really true, I raised my brother and I know most of the dad’s in my social circle basically did the same while their wives wasted money and didn’t work.
Me, the fact that I still screw women is because I’m biologically programmed to do so. I enjoy it, and won’t deny myself that. It doesn’t change the fact that women are crap at everything though.
Nicely well said! I want children oneday & know i will be a brilliant mother! I know how hard it is as i work with children! x
You know, I used to hold it against my stepdad for actively demonstrating to me the very point you’re making above, Dick. You add an entertaining, wise-cracking talent as you convey this truth, but-there’s nothing more horrible than abused children, and that’s the evening news. True story: my stepdad used to ‘horseplay’ around w/ me right after he married my mom, I was about 4. Hey, thanks for showing me affection and attention dad! Then he did a couple things I didn’t understand, like hold his hand over my face like he was going to smother me. He did this right w/ my mom watching. My mom did nothing-that was his point. Ofcourse, I came to know he would never actually kill me, so I learned not panic when he did that. It stopped, ‘cus-he found out what he needed to know about the ‘charity case’ /recipient of my child support checks.
The other thing he did while we were out in a cabin cruiser he had just swapped for out on a major river was take the boat all the way down to a nearby dam. He then began discussing w/ my mother if it would be advantageous to throw me into falls. I’m not sure if he realizes to this day that at the age of four, I was indeed aware that they were quibbling for my life (I salute my real old man for keeping them funds coming in, what a life-saver he was)! After he had her glazed over and stunned w/ the possiblity that it could easily be dissed off as accidental-he picked me up and held me over the edge of the boat. She was like “no, wait, wait”.
He used to like to get my mom in hysterics when she was preggers w/my sister too, by driving wild on icy roads. Why did she not trust his ability?
Hell, I learned how to drive on ice by feel from the back seat.
He’s just got an instinct for parenting, that’s all.
“Women fucking suck at raising children. Men can raise children, work full time jobs, maintain hobbies like drinking and bowling, and all while saving time to chase tail. That’s because men are men. We’re better parents and when it comes to living life we’re like octopuses on crack; our tentacles in one hundred different pies.”
You have no concept of how to raise a child if that is how you think.
Not only do I have a young son (read 18months old) I work full time, go to school and have been in the military for the past 8 years. I have plenty of time for my son as well as a personal life and most women do too. So get off your high horse and come back to reality.
the women who raised you boys dont know how to raise kids………yeah i find this site really funny to……….dick wirte such funny stuff………keep posting more stuff dick…..i get a good laugh
Right on
This guy talks shit. I am director and majority shareholder of a company I started myself, with my own finance. I also do the majority of cooking and cleaning at home. I have two children, one a baby who I adore and work from home so I can look after him. The other is at school. They are both boys and I love them. I earn equal money to my partner. This dick called Dick truley is a dick! Some women are money grabbing, shit-for-brain,baby-hating whores. But the majority are not.
my vagina pushed out two. paternal guy is so wrapped up in his own parents that he dont care about me or babies. I truly love the whole nurture thing. so i guess daddy can nurse his baby maker.Cause his mommy thinks hers is all that matters .cock donut love is all good. you know what i mean?
having a baby and raising it cause dad more intersted in the baby maker penis .my vagina pushed it out and i love my baby.
First and foremost: I love the octopus analogy. My friend and I were discussing the other day how we would love to be octopuses. Well, more human-like octopuses, but octopuses nonetheless.
Anyway. I’m wondering. Though most of the articles and comments on this site are written as stereotypes as opposed to generalizations, do the men who post here believe what they say of every woman on Earth?
Furthermore, as a complete side note, I’d like to state that the difference between stereotype and generalization is completely ridiculous, as it’s merely a change from “all” to “most.” And, apparently, generalizations are ok. Go figure.
Wow, that was intresting. A man and a woman should not be having sex if their not going to be life long partners. It takes two to raise a child in the best way, and single mothers and fathers depending on their devotion to leading a good life and safe invironment for their child do great! If your a man and your calling your babies mom a whore then that speeks a great deal about you, why would you sleep with someone like that, unless you just didn’t know, I know from experiance that sometimes it takes years to know the person your with is nothing but a nasty cheater. As a woman, I am the one that carried my child for nine months, I am the one who made sure my son had everything he needs and I would rather die than to be seperated from my son, if you are a good man, then in most cases you would not be in a sticky situation involving costady, you would be married allowing your child the best options for life, not worried about sleeping around or what you want, their are to manny selfish friken people out there
OK. when it comes down to it either a man or women can be a bad perant. just depends on how lazy and selfish they are. i live with my domestic partener whom i have two sons with. when my first born was well…born…his mother just didntknow what to do…she acted out in anger and frustraion and took it out on him becuase she was so over whelmed. when he got a little older and began talking and acting like a child his mother showered him with love. as for our second born, he is always abused. both verbally and physically. he was 3 months premature and had many struggles which he over came by the grace of something…and she wails on him for no real reason. he has bruises and shit on his head all the time and i have to change doctors appts becuase of that. my first born is even learning that my second born is beneath him for he too hits him which is normal for brothers but knowing that it started so early makes me sick…i do all the dirty work yet i have no spine to kick her out because she is incapable and would be like kicking out a 10 year old who doesnt know how to get by…she had one job at 21 for 7 days and got fired because a customer mad her mad…the problem is she puts herself before everyone else…even her babies and now as i try to show her the error of her ways she somehow justifies her actions with an uncontrolable hatred for her son once again she treats her first born nicely at this point im at a loss
Get video proof of her child abuse contact social service and divorce her. In more enlightened times or other parts of this world she would be stoned to death.
Another day of you standing silently by is testament to your uselessness.
“Men don’t ever pull that kind of shit. When a man is upset, he calmly, cooly, and sternly explains himself.”
WHAT A JOKE.
Isn’t it always the guy that beats his wife and kids up out of rage? Yes, women usually get custody over the kids because they can control themselves and don’t punch anything that moves. This “Dick” (quite an appropriate name for him) proves this through all his ‘manly’ swearing and useless deivel which he uses to try and bring us women down. Most of it makes no sense at all anyway, so he can’t really be taken seriously.
You’re right, women can’t live without men. But you men cant live without us women.
Hmm…If I were as chauvinistic as this fine example of maledom I would be scared as hell to let any women’s TEETH anywhere near my “cock”, because there would probably be a decent chance of me losing my ability to be a “penis wielding man”.
If you get my drift.
I love it when people have to resort to sarcasm because they can’t find a legitimate argument.
Very mature.
so if you men are so good at raising children than why in most court cases for custody the mother gets the child…and the only reason you men have the time to do your other “hobbies” is because your never at home when the babie is crying, shitting, throwing up or hungry. you’re only there when its sleeping or happy…if you think its so easy why dont us woman just pack up and leave your dumb ass’s…i know my father couldnt have done it…he beat the shit out of me and if it wasnt for my mother i would have probally been dead…not all woman are the same and if you think so your ass dumb as the woman you talk about.
Hey, Dick, paranoid much?
My God, with all the projecting you do, you should work in a movie theater.
I don’t know why but I find this site to be hilarious whether its real or not–I’m not offended at all. I’m not the only one, right?
This is one time, that I definitely have to agree… at least in my personal situation. I don’t like babies. I don’t like kids. I tolerate them when I have to be around them.
I am childfree and love it that way!!! I REFUSE to have kids.
(I’m not even interested in getting married (even though I’m fat);) Shackin’ is ok. I don’t want/need diamonds. I just wanna have fun! Nope, I’m not a lesbian, either. I’ve dated the same guy for 10 or 11 years (maybe 12, who’s counting?)
My boyfriend’s poor mom wants grandchildren. (OK, go buy some).
My boyfriend knows nothing about children and until recently, he would say “I’d kind of like to have a kid.”
He finally “saw the light” after we were stuck dealing with a kid for several hours at a friend’s house. The best words to ever hear him say: “It is kind of nice to send them back to their parents when you’re tired of them.” (I win!)
His mom has already started harassing her other son’s girlfriend (who’s in her 40’s).
I’ve told his mom “You have grand-snakes. What more could you want?”
Snakes are better than children! I don’t have to send them to school. I don’t have to clothe them. They eat about once every week or two. The poop only as often as they eat (so they are MUCH cleaner!).
Children? Babies? YUCK!!!
(I’ve just pissed off millions of women. Oh well… too bad I can’t piss them off enough to keep them out of amusement parks and quit ramming those god-forsaken baby strollers into the backs of my legs!)
I love and adore babies you piece of fucking scum, lmao you fucking facist piece of shit, women arent all alike, i dont have any pets i know when an animal is an animal and a human is a human.
If i ever fucking saw you i would kick your fucking ass, thats right i would beat the shit out of you and put it on the fucking internet. Your butt ass ugly, and useless what are you doing with your life? promoting hate?..shitbag..you honestly must be gay and im not just saying that either
I’m pretty sure I don’t treat babies the same way I treat my boyfriend when I am angry with him… hmm. You’re argument fails once again Dick Head.
It’s all part of the dark pendulum swing of the force.
I imagine the hundreds of millions of western sluts driven by greed and ambition letting their latchkey sons be raised by TV and violent games.
It’s going to be all too easy to convince them their mothers were soulless pigs and to do what must be done.
Thrice – Backdraft
Die and rot in your grave. And know I had fun killing you.
I mean, hell the first part of her quote was a death threat from a woman and she wants to tell us to stop promoting hate?
And also notice how the girl weaves around all the long responses and arguements and circle to get around to the one insult that was provoked in the first place. She didn’t want to hear a opinion she just wanted to get her judgement of the day early.
Ha ha. No.
Do you think of yourself as having a below-average intelligence? Are you one of those shitheads who believe that you know what is best for everyone else?
You are inferior and you know it – all you want is our attention, you lonely whore. There are easier ways to get male attention:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pFMiSR5hHoc
You guys are so hypocritic
I don’t expect anyone to reply to this, it is just my thoughts on the subject. I can’t believe how unjust this website is and those that contribute to it. I’ve never had any problem with the male gender and always had respect for them and appreciated the respect they had for us, however I see now that there are some out there who have nothing better to do than to than to promote hatred. Stop promoting hate.
You are so right in a way. I HATE babies with a passion AND I dont ever want one. Find a way to make them yourselves guys. You are more than welcome !
i hate hillary clinton’s book it takes a village. it’s the worst example of how children should be raised, imo. of course she’s one of the worst role models of a wife and mother because she’s too busy to be an attentive wife and a good mother.
women don’t only hate babies, they hate their own children. they get divorces and don’t consider their childrens relationships with their fathers as being equally important or even more important than their own mother/child relationship. they jyp their children out of important relationships with their fathers because they are selfish and only consider their own “feelings”. they start to believe their inflated stories of “bad bad husband/father/man”. i’ve seen it happen too many times.
Women are not going to find anything positive abut their gender
Fixed for you kiddo.
LoL! This site is http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com when it seems to me like this website should be named http://www.menhatewomen.com Haha!
This website poses more hate towards women than the competition of men being better than women.
I’m a woman, and any woman who visits this site and gets pissed off from what they read, they should avoid this site. Women are not going to find anything positive abut their gender on here. The men on this site are just anti-female and are getting off by the rants and raves they recieve from the opposite sex.
Listen, WHORE, why don’t you suck my cock and swallow my load, that way, your throat will be welded shut by my ALMIGHTY STICKY MAN JISM, then you will be unable to speak even more shit, and better yet, you will be unable to breath, and therefore, you will DIE, and that would make me a very MANLY HAPPY MANLY PENIS WIELDING MAN.
Fuck you and yours, SKANK.
Paranoia? More like lack of equality in courts. Don’t believe me? See how ‘equal’ they treat Men here in California. It’s a joke.
Alimony? You mean the severance package for a retired whore.
If women want to be equal and respected they can work just as hard as the Men and not expect us to pay them shit.
MENAREBETTERTHANWOMEN
Why would they have so many pro bono lawyers to help men? I don’t know; Paranoia?
Is the existence of the ACLU evidence that prisoner’s don’t have enough rights? Is the existence of NOW evidence that women aren’t treated equal? Is the existence of the Bill O’Reily Show evidence there is a war against Christmas? Even O.J. Simpson, had he been poor, would have been given a lawyer. That doesn’t mean he’s innocent.
I never said that women do all of the running around for the kids in every case. I’m just pointing out that at lot of time, women stop being full-time once they become pregnant, in part because of maternity leave and in part because they are more likely to just take time off to take care of the kid. This results in a lot of lost income for the woman, but it also puts her in a position where she is going to get a more flexible job to take care of the kid’s time needs. This puts more financial pressure on the guy to support the kid. And it often makes it easier, once the relationship is done, to continue the women with the fewer work hours or the smaller salary while the dad continues to support financially without taking so much time off work to run the kid around.
That doesn’t mean that I think all men do nothing and never lift a finger for their kid.
You might be willing to take one situation and see a universal law in it. I’m not so willing to rely on such a small sample of anecdotal evidence to create my opinions.
Utter and total bullshit! Do you listen to yourself talk or do you just fade in and out?
Men are always at a disadvantage when it comes to attempting to get their custody or visitation. Why would they have so many pro bono lawyers and organizations to help Men get the fair treatment in court that they deserve?
It’s also bullshit that the woman does all the commuting and running around for the child. I work my ass off for my child and pay nearly a thousand dollars a month for my one and only child. The mother simply sits on her fat fucking ass, married, collecting checks from me and the government while living under her mothers roof and not paying a dime in rent.
When will you leave this website you feminist trash?
Brain damage is horrible and since you can’t help that you were born damaged you can simply end it all now.
Joint custody is custody. It’s a major pain-for the kids-to split there time equally with both parents. It’s just natural for them to spend the school week with one parent and the weekends with the other. And it’s not true that “women get custody no matter what.” A lot of time women get custody because they’re the ones who took the flex-time or the part-time or the telecommuting job after the kid was born to take care of it. A lot of time dad doesn’t want to be the full-time parent or Mr. Mom. I’ve worked in a courthouse. The judges there-the vast majority of whom were men, btw, (men judges outnumber women judges) really put the kid’s interest at heart in custody proceedings when a case unfortunately couldn’t be settled amicably between the parties. Even family lawyers when kids are involved put the kid’s best interest at heart, not necessarily their clients.
And even if dads don’t get primary custody that doesn’t mean that they have an excuse to stop seeing the kids. And just because a kid is pissed off at dad that doesn’t give dad the right to blow them off either. All teens are pissed at their parents. Dad’s a grown-up. So stop acting like mom’s “turning kids against” dad is an excuse for dad to stop being a part of the kid’s life. Stop playing the victim. Dad is the best possible person to conteract any slander on mom’s part, and Dad isn’t going to do that when he doesn’t see the kids.
Hilary and Skyler. Why does that sound like the characters in a really bad saturday night live skit that talks about soccer moms and their kids, madison, chelsea and madison.
The audience follows these two moms as they careen about suburbia, clueless as to what really makes things work and taking for granted everything, even each other.
Oh what a life. A mcmansion, debt, 2 new cars, tuition, sorority fees, woo woo. I can’t wait, sign me up.
Hoo fucking Rah!!
Die and rot in your grave. And know I had fun killing you.
Hillary and Sklyer you need to live in the real world. Most men don’t abandon their children. As far as wives and girlfriends it happens. Women think because they get their ass dumped, the guys bailing on the kids to. Not true. He’s opting to leave a bitch.
No man should stay in a relationship just because he has a child with a woman. But that’s your genders trump card. You have a baby then think he’s indebted to you forever. Wrong.
No, most men don’t abandon their children. Some men do bail out then never see or financially support their kids again. Those cases are in the minority. Do you want to know why many men aren’t as involved as they should be?
The vast majority of the time women get custody no matter what. Joint custody is not custody. It means dad babysits on the weekend while mommy whores around. Great. I can’t blame many dads for taking a pass on that one. It’s called being used. To make things worse women turn children on their fathers. Everyone know this. In fact a recent poll of women revealed over 70% of women said they had done so. After moms done many brats don’t want to see dad. That’s why he’s not there.
When you feel like getting owned again please reply.
Whoa-ho-ho, some little bitch has a little girly-girl attitude! Oh, wait, this is our site and you are the one who is trespassing on it, spamming it up, and apparently not forgoing the temptation to flaunt your gender on it.
Surprisingly, we don’t seem to find you likeable on a site where men will be judged as men and women will be judged as men – true equality. And we can’t see your toenails, so I suppose your natural… putting lead paint and chemical powder on your body advantage is negated.
Heh, and strippers complain when they get a volcanic explosion of acne. The problem is somewhere between your disease trap and the fact that you can’t leave the house without slathering yourself up in untested ‘animal-safe’ compounds.
I don’t know, I would go without them entirely if I were so worried about the environment. But then, I’m not a dipshit.
M.I.L.F’s. Who cares about’em unless it’s a quick fuck (damaged goods)?
- Sgt. Reyes
Well, I suppose they left when women married the government.
You do realise how hipocritical your been, don’t you? I can’t argue with your statistics, and I do believe men need a decent male role model to know how to be a man. But your here bashing all these single mothers. Don’t you ever wonder where all the fathers of these kids are? The mother’s there, you say she’s doing a crap job, but she’s there. The men have absolutely no excuse for not being as much a part of their child’s life as the mother. I dare you to give me an excuse. Maybe we wouldn’t see the stats if more men would stand up and do their job, simply put. These stats reveal men’s failures, not womens.
I simply made a statement regarding your post about single mothers.
It was your choice to reply. If you don’t want yet another debate about single mothers, then don’t reply. Simple as that.
Here’s a tip to not bring up another discussion, don’t reply to this.
Apparently, the topic in discussion is single mothers. Stop red herring. No one really gives a fuck about what you feel or think for the matter. Complain? How are the facts compiled with evidence complaints? Lmfao, moron.
Stop complaining on how single mothers are awful, what about the men that abandon their children and girlfriends/wives?
If women hated babies we wouldn’t make them and go through the pain of childbirth.
Imagine swallowing a watermelon for 30 hours, that’s what women go through, if we hated babies then we wouldn’t have them, simple as that.
By the way, I love babies they are adorable, my cousin has a 2 year old son and he is precious.
Oh, I see. Wolfe sounds more rational than Dick from your explination. So I guess that it is Dick that I am talking about then.
Dick is the owner of this site while Wolfe is just an old respected member of the MABTW community. Wolfe also has a site at wolfemusings (go google it) which encourages women to enter and participate in discourse.
Ok, I know that this might sound a bit stupid, but I didn’t catch on. Dick and Wolfe are different people? Explain please.
Are you referring to Wolfe or Dick here?
And I agree, some of the topics are over the top.
Well, even you have to admit that the whole “women’s viganas might be causing global warming” thing is far fetched, as well as many of his other topics he talks about. Although, he does seem nice and rational in his posts to other people, and SOME of his topics are ok. There is really no “evidence”, most are just far fetched theories. If you don’t think that they are far fetched theories, then I will show you examples, but it will take a while to explain, so unless you want them, I dont feel like typing that much unless necessary.
Wolfe takes it too far??
Are we talking about the same guy here because I have a ton of respect for Wolfe.
No. I don’t know. I just started getting on this website, and I am starting to see why alot of people are on this website. Although I think that Wolfe takes it too far, my opinion is changing.
So what is your stance? Sitting on the fence?
Ok, I am a woman, and I do not think that men are equal to women, nor do I think that men are better, or that women are better. I am young (13). I do not know, and for now, that works for me. I have heard both sides of the story, and both sides hold a very good argument. Either way, it does’t matter to me, because A) I choose to make my goals what I think that I CAN do, not what my gender can or can’t do. and B) My primary focus right now is school, SATs, and getting into a good college so I can go to Med. school and become a Neuro surgeon. If men and women are equal then great, wow, amazing (sarcasm), and if men ARE better, then I guess I will just be the exception, or the one that suceeds when the odds are againsed them. By the way, I LOVE other peoples babies, I certianly don’t want to have my own, but how could you not love a fresh life, full of opportunity and iniconce, and you can’t froget those tiny hands that wrap around your finger with more strength than you thought possible!
Mabey I am a woman, mabey I agree that I need a man in order to keep going. It’s true, I don’t like babies. But that doesn’t mean no women like babies. I do believe that men are better to women, but that don’t mean were a bunch of s*** bags. It is very rude of you to say something that you can’t be true about. Some women act very differently from others. Some love children, some hate ‘em. Sometimez they don’t even want ‘em, but that don’t mean that you can say anything nasty about us cuz that aint counting ev1. So i dissagree with you and agree. Oh, and has your mother ever washed your mouth with the soap? You deserve it.
I fucking love Metallica.
Funny how there is an increase in single fathers? The way in which you devalue a man and fatherhood is surprising. But then again, you’re a woman and therefore, will be victim to the laws of women. Law number 1: No matter how low you set the bar for women, they will inevitably fall lower.
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes
85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes (Source: Center for Disease Control)
80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes (Source: Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26, 1978.)
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes (Source: National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools.)
75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes (Source: Rainbows for all Gods Children.)
70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)
Another extract: Here is yet another new study which confirms the importance of fathers in children’s lives. In the December 1, 1998 issue of The Wall Street Journal, Maggie Gallagher’s article Fatherless Boys Grow Up Into Dangerous Men reports on a study by the University of California’s Cynthia Harper and Princeton’s Sara McLanahan.
Using the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth database, the records of more than 6,400 boys were studied over a period of approximately 20 years of their development. According to the Wall Street Journal story, the study
…controlled for family background variables such as mother’s educational level, race, family income and number of siblings, as well as neighborhood variables like the proportion of female-headed families in the neighborhood, unemployment rates, median income and even cognitive ability…. Boys raised outside of intact marriages are, on average, more than twice as likely as other boys to end up jailed, even after controlling for other demographic factors. Each year spent without a dad in the home increases the odds of future incarceration by about five percent.
The study also confirmed the findings of other researchers: Boys living with just their single fathers do not exhibit this increased rate of criminal behavior
a man could never raise a child. they’re too busy running away from responsibility, making children & never supporting them. that’s not us, thats a man.
Funny how you spew out all that bullshit. Single dads raise children much better than single mums. This is a proven fact as the crimininality rate of children under single dads is WAY lower than those raised by single mums.
The reason men can still have hobbies and fuck every thing in sight while still being a “good” parent is because no one expects a lot out of dads’. They are the ones that take off on their kids. They are the reason why their young daughters are sleeping around and why their sons will never feel they are good enough and turn out like.. well you. Single moms are expected to be both mom, dad & until they are 8 santa claus. Single dad’s are not expected to be more than just a dad. The good ones, the one’s worth anyone’s respect are the one’s who desire to be everything to their kids and don’t care about when they will get laid next.
Typical feminist drivel. Why talk to it?
-Strength and Honor-
Notice how the fembot goes into Momma Murdering Mode.
When they don’t like the outcome they seek to kill it.
Women have no brains, no compassion, no sense.
Women suck as humans
She floated up from the bottom of the barrel…clearly a female of low desirability and quality. She’ll be a fatty too, and probably a single mother on welfare.
Hahahahahha. Fuck you, dumb whore. The superior gender is engaging in discourse. Why dont you fuck away? You think we will *gasps* change ? You have just proven every fucking thing that Dick has said on this site. Well done, bitch.
No wonder all your mothers wished they aborted you.
Is Dick still not turning over his wasteful, pathetic existence over to the Lord?
Sad, what a sad, ugly, dumbo. Does he still smell and fantasize about fucking his sister?
Weird prick should be locked up.
….*punches Himmler*
No. NO. HELL NO. There SHOULD be LESS women like her. No, none!! She is a plague, a plague amongst plagues actually. She should be hung, drawn and quartered.
Dont encourage her!
That would be “fewer” not LESS, stupid, uneducated PRICK.
I see you insecure Nazis are continuing your anti-female drivel. What don’t you ugly sacks of shit do the best thing for the world and drive an ax through your worthless fathers’ skulls? What did those abusive pieces of shit DO to you as children, anyways? LOL
Funny thing about this article is that i have read some quotes from famous ancient sages/philosophers who say the same thing about how women actually dont love the man they marry or children they give birth to. The Buddha himself said that a woman cant become enlightened unless she transforms into a man.
Well done Dick you have exposed a very higher truth.
You can find these articles if you follow this link: http://www.theabsolute.net/minefield/preview.html#mfpsych
Aww…he’s spineless because he insulted you on a male site.
There has never been any oppression other than the oppression women brought on themselves because of the limited females brain.. Female you are a retard and I agree with Necro that you should be drawn and quartered.
have you ever drawn and quartered a woman Billy? or do you just go round saying someone should do this? but you have no backbone and couldn’t actually do this yourself
do you even know what it is spineless bully?
A national organisation of men should be set up wtih Dick as President. The patriachy must not fall!
You are correct that it is ignorant to hold such an opinion when it’s obviously factual and therefore it shouldn’t be considered an opinion.
women hate the truth
You’re probably a fatass and the unfortunate occurance of you having a man in your life is what makes you live. You women would be nowhere at all without a man in your life. And how do you show gratitude? By insulting him for being in your life.
So YOU made a bad choice. Men are better than women.
Women suck as people.
In the end dalsgaard it takes violence or memorable actions in meat space to make the powerful quake in their golden boots and shit golden eggs you can chuck at their thick fucking skulls.
Not fucking websites or papers or brochures.
This site is good for recruiting and not another god damned thing.
All with power fear to lose it and won’t without blood.
The opinion that you have the right to speak without getting stoned is preposterous.
The opinion that one sex of the human species is inferior to the other is ignorant.
Excellent post man. Yes, this site is here to…in a way.. create awareness. One day, men of the future will bow down on their knees and thank Dick for what he has done. God bless you, great man of mans. I dont care how little a difference it is making Fem. People ARE getting more aware. Men ARE rising. The age of women will pass faster than it has even begun. We will triumph.
“Cheating is just like getting pregnant it is 100% a woman’s fault 100% of the time”
-Dick Masterson
Personally, I fail to see how carrying 1 species along for it’s own good is opression. California Condors are kept only in certain areas, are protected by law, and bred all for their own good. Is that oppression?
Don’t answer that, it’s a rhetorical question.
All female oppression is the fault of the woman. Ask any woman in an abusive relationship and you can see that it was her fault.
Billy – You are just a complete ass and hopefully one day you can wake up and see that oppression is not always brought on by ourselves. But sometimes it’s brought on by the much stronger men that are unfortunately in our lives.
Wow
There has never been any oppression other than the oppression women brought on themselves because of the limited females brain.. Female you are a retard and I agree with Necro that you should be drawn and quartered.
Read more here
I think people are already becoming aware if it. I’m doing some study at the moment and I came across a couple of recently published books that may interest some.
http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-047001573X.html
http://www.ubcpress.ca/search/title_book.asp?BookID=2695
Female, just piling bullshit upon same layered by texture, tone and odour a point does not make.
- a1 ozgur can – 84 shots (original)
Did you know that when Pythagorus opened his second university in 529BC that women were also able to enroll? There was no discrimation on the basis of gender or race or financial means or religion. It was truly egalitarian, apparently. Pity then that the standards set by visionaries such as Pythagorus did not continue to be the norm. In England, until the 1950s, a woman had no legal rights over herself, her property or her money. Men, by law, owned their family and all material possessions. A husband could even forcibly restrain his wife from leaving. If she did escape, he could use the law to have her imprisoned. Aside from premeditated murder, the law forced women and children to accept whatever behaviour and terms the man dictated, including beatings. In “Wife Torture in England� written by Francis Power Cobbe in 1878, she revalaed the horrific domestic violence occurring at the time that were apparently quite commonplace.
Do you wish to repeal todays laws back to this sorry state of affairs?
So why do men beat women? Are you saying that is it simply your right by virtue of your biology?
….*punches Himmler*
No. NO. HELL NO. There SHOULD be LESS women like her. No, none!! She is a plague, a plague amongst plagues actually. She should be hung, drawn and quartered.
Dont encourage her!
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
And this is where you are going to be wrong. Sometimes you have to call for desperate measures in order to have people recognize problems. When America engaged in the Iraq war, our danish prime minister was on his tiptoes trying to help America in the war, even though there were several minorities throughout the country suggesting another way to dissolve the crisis.
The problem is, that peoples meanings got ignored. Noone even took a second glance at the possible dangers ahead.
Then, as our prime minister left the press conference, someone threw a bucket of red paint over him screaming at the top of his lungs: “Anders Fogh, you got blood on your hands!”.
Now you may say what you want about the people humiliating our minister in that matter. But nonetheless, it spawned country-wide debate on the subject, and it created awareness. People started asking questions like never before.
People out there HAVE tried to be diplomatic. “Why does the head of our gender equality orginization have to be a woman?”. “Why is there only 3 male members, and 19 female members?”. These questions just does’nt sink in! They have no impact! Even though people KNOW that these are important questions, noone tells their friend about them.
THIS is a site that people will hear about. This is a movement that will increase in size, Dick is going to recieve a huge bill monthly because of all the men that will slowly join his movement because they recognize the subtle points in the comments and articles.
And at some point, it will get recognized. The question will come up in the media, wether it be “What’s wrong with these people?” or “These things are worth looking into” – we have awareness. And that’s what is more or less going to happen.
Sure, I get it, but that is because I’ve spent ample time engaged in arguments and discussions here. Many people (women especially) wont do that though, they will instead read one or two of Dick’s posts, then maybe some of the comments, which may turn out to be abusive ones rather than informative, then they’ll leave in disgust, convinced that men are more %^&* in the head than they had ever imagined.
Now, you can think that this site creates awareness all you want, I tend to think it just creates opposition and hostility. You wont get people on side by being abusive, it doesnt work that way. Take Billy and sots for instance, it is entirely clear that they have no interest in raising awareness or getting people to have sympathy for the male cause, they’re only interested in feeling sorry for themselves and taking that out on any and all of the female sex.
That being said, i still do think that men are better than women. I think we’re a lot smarter, a lot more logical, and definetly better at reasoning. We are stronger, and more intelligent. In fact, i could’nt even imagine losing an argument with a woman.
The problem is though, that i can’t say this. I can’t state that i have these oppinions publicly. That is freedom of speech.
We’re not talking individual situations for fucks sake. We’re talking crowds, the population in general.
In order for them to take these problems seriously, and really put them into consideration we need a global change of heart on these topics. And HOW would you accomplish that?
Sure, if I had problems in the said relation to my goddamn doctor, i may or may not be able to convince him that my wife beat me. And there would be differences between the scenarios, and quite frankly, i can also agree that a professional doctor should behave in the manner you presented.
This is completely hypothetical, what I’m trying to show you is a clear way how to alter the common mans belief in society and gender as we know it. Why is that necessary? Because as it is now, men that are beaten, recieves scratches, or are victims to either physical or psychological abuse would’nt even visit the doctor in the first place – in fear of ridicule.
In order to even solve this problem, and as you can imagine – it is a problem, we have to create awareness. Awareness about the problems associated with the male gender in general. The extremely high suicidal numbers, the fathers that can’t see their children and still pay support, the misandryginist tendency in society, freedom of speech (This site almost got sued, remember?), false rape claims, and a hell lot of other important subjects. All of these topics, you’ll find in someway represented on this site.
Now here’s the point i was leading you to: In order to create awareness about these problems, you have to get attention. If this website was written in a clean way saying “We respect women, but we think that THIS thing does’nt work”, it would’nt get half the publicity the website is given at this moment. That is why this website is important to me. That is definetly why I support it.
And I’m pretty sure everyone else agrees on this matter. People don’t beat their wives. They don’t disrespect women, and they definetly do NOT hate them as much as they say they do in here. But this is how you create said awareness. By reinforcing the stereotype that the media has put on to us. By being what people don’t want us to be, they’ll see in some way or another that there is a problem. Because there ARE some clever people out there, that CAN read between the lines.
I hope you get it.
It took a whole lot of words to make one point though.
I just don’t see a point in her being her or there.
Amazingly I think she has a point.
I thought my answer was fairly practical and realistic, but fine.
If you reported a scratched arm or face, or whatever, to a doctor and said that you received the injuries from your wife, then I’m sure the doctor would raise an eyebrow and treat the wound, advising you if it looked infected and how you should look after it, and possibly tell you if you needed stitches or recommend a plastic surgeon.
If the doctor isn’t in a rush or practices in a holistic, rather than purely pragmatic manner, then he or she may ask you if your wife accidently scratched you. If you decide to reveal that it was deliberate, then the doctor may ask more questions trying to ascertain whether this is a regular thing, whether you have any other injuries, whether your wife has any injuries that should be treated, whether you have children, whether they may be at risk of harm, etc. These questions are designed to ellicit information on what is happening so that people are protected. From themselves, if necessary. Not so people can be punished or blamed, but protected. There is a difference. But if men wont admit that they need help or assistance or even protection, then of course it wont be able to be forthcoming. Next the doctor may ask you if your wife has a mental illness or a history of MI in her family or is on a drug rehabilitation program, or whether you are on the latter. If your answer to all these questions was “no” then depending on your demeanour, the doctor might light-heartedly ask you, “so what did you do to deserve this?” while possibly suspecting that you receieved the injuries after your wife found out you were involved with another woman.
If the situation was reversed and your wife visited the doctor, then I’m fairly certain that a similiar scenerio would play out but with more information offered to the woman on women’s refuges, and perhaps without the question, “so what did you do to deserve this?”
The slightly different interactions do reflect cultural assumptions that as women are physically weaker than men, that women cannot seriously hurt men and, that if a woman does injure a man, then he must have provoked her, most likely by having an affair. However, the average professional is going to know that it is bullshit that women cannot inflict serious injuries AND that physial violence enacted by anyone, male or female, is not indicative of a normal relationship spat, but is indicative of either, 1. cultural context – those raised in more violent neighbourhoods are raised in a tougher manner and this is somewhat of a cultural norm or 2. drugs or alcohol is involved or 3. psychological illness is involved. The professional would take all the information from your story into account to ascertain which of these applied and act accordingly, informing you of relevant resource services and options in your area (maybe a men’s support group or the number of a social worker). The professional who does not do any of these things is not upholding their code of ethics and you should discontinue seeking treatment from that particular doctor.
Seriously, that WAS the worst load of crap. All you did was point out your own ideologies as to how the world SHOULD work. This has nothing to do with how everything should work in fucking Utopia.
And i know that we have a goddamn problem in this regard. Don’t try to avoid my question because you’re afraid I will shoot you down. I wont. In fact I was almost ready to applaud your answer.
I agree. That was a load of crap. Try again Female.
That seemed quite a pointless bunch of rubbish to me. In regards to his question.
Deliberate scratching is feral behaviour and should be documented. I think the Drs attitude would and should foremost be professional and focussed on treating the wound for any infection or other, secondly they may suggest giving you a referral for a psychiatrist for your wife or yourself to deal with the issues influencing the violence.
I would think men should care more about their wife’s behaviour than what a Doctor may think of his situation. I would recommend men do decide to report such injuries, however superficial, to a Doctor and then to ask for a referral for a psychiatrist (if the doctor doesn’t offer one) while they are there.
Only where there is a mass pile of evidence of a social problem, will a professional community begin to discuss it, research it, bring it to the attention of their governing body who will then bring it to the attention of the authorities, public health officials and the media. So if this hasn’t happened yet, then either men are not reporting abuse by their partners, abuse by females is not as widespread or high as you think it is or doctors are seeing high rates of this but are not taking the issue seriously.
Actually, I took Anatomy class; as for House, merely the theme song catches my interest. And both my parents are doctors with twelve years of medical schooling after college – I’m not about to make assumptions. *smiles*
Like I said, genders may be different, but overall they are human. This website generalizes so much that I expected you’d realize that and list your own faults alongside womens’. This is the kind of ignorance that kills innocent people – of any gender, by any gender. I’m very surprised. This is a failure because you’ve failed you mention that there are masses upon masses of exceptions. You’ve lost my respect, men of earth. I thought you were cool.
Truth is, sex does not interest me. Babies do not interest me. That’s who I am. It’s not hate – it’s discord. I’ve lost my ‘appetite.’. And I’ve never yet mentioned my real gender, so does that really matter? I go trap shooting with my father once a week. I also hug each of my parents every night I can. I scuba dive every summer – and when my gear is in the shop, I snorkel without the air tube because it gets in my way, then dive thirty feet to poke a starfish. Then again, I also love chocolate. Which of the following entities can accomplish all of these things?
A) Woman
B) Man
C) Human
Yep yep. Exactly.
With respect to male/female violence, I think at the end of the day violence is violence regardless of what gender is involved.
A woman hitting a man is not any more acceptable than the other way around, the only difference I guess would be the extent of injuries inflicted… a man hitting a woman is more likely to cause more damage since men are physically stronger than women. However that doesn’t mean that women don’t initiate violence, nor does it mean that their actions are any less damaging in a psychological and emotional sense.
Generally, there is no excuse for the use of violence especially within what is supposed to be a loving relationship. If you resort to using fists rather than having an adult conversation with your partner you shouldn’t be in a relationship with them.
Your not that stupid, i think you’re beginning to get it. The allegations are just that – allegations. If i had a wife, and i payed the doctor a vist – showed him my scratchmarks – and told him that my wife abused me (Jesus christ), what do you think his reaction would be?
Reverse the situation, and say my WIFE visited the doctor.
Wich is excactly my point. The problem is that these things happen and go literaly unnoticed for several reasons, and it’s happening a hell lot more than the general public will even acknowledge.
Now i have another question for you. Do you honestly think that the men on this site beats their wifes and girlfriends regularly?
Enough with the assumptions for now. The fact of the matter is, that these things – and that includes literally every topic on this site – needs more awareness. As of now, we can’t even begin advocating a solution to a problem, because noone knows that there IS a problem.
I’ve seen plenty of sites out there get shot down, even though they made points subtle. A man published a resarch recently that showed, that men are more Intelligent than women, and because of this – he got so hammered down by the media that he got fired as a result. Mysandri is literally everywhere, it’s gotten so widespread that we men have to excuse ourself just because we’re MEN. We can’t be straight forward, we can’t be weak either, we have to show feelings – but we should’nt be gay either. But most of all: We can NOT show any agression, or the slightest note of fear or instinct.
What role does this website, or the other websites like this, play in this ridiculous act you think?
My example was based on a paragraph from the first link you provided, namely.
My point was that general female aggression is not as serious as male aggression in any of it’s forms. But yes, I do understand that there is little difference between a woman and a man when a weapon is used in an assault.
I also concede that unreporting of female spousal abuse would exist, as well as distortion of statistics by people with an agenda. However, the second link you provided above says that women initiate violence in 50% of cases, this means the sexes are equal, however the stats don’t tell us whether “initiation” of violence occurs after a verbal threat against one’s life has been made. My point is that self-defense is a major factor in violence, as you yourself suggest by saying it must be okay for men to return hit a woman.
Here are some actual statistics from a table out of a paper I have in front of me.
Percentage of Incidence of Partner to Partner Violence among Families at Melbourne and Canberra Registries.
Allegations Against: Melb males – 47, Melb Females – 9.3
DVO’s Against: Melb Males – 40, Canberra Males – 33, Melb Females – 7.3, Canberra Females – 7.
Do these numbers reflect reality accurately or are there more incidences of female violence going unreported than we know of?
Your solution to this is that men should fight back. All that is going to do is end up raising the numbers of allegations against men, which will then see more money given to women’s shelters etc and continue to hide any problem men experience. What you should be advocating for is for men to get over any sense of shame at being battered by a women and report such crimes. And male police etc involved in documenting such cases should also perhaps be educated not to engage in shaming tactics against men who come forward.
Reference
Brown, T, Frederico, M., Hewitt, L and Sheehan, R. (2000) Revealing the existence of child abuse in the context of marital breakdown and custody and access disputes, Child Abuse and Neglect, Vol 24, No. 6, pp 849 – 859,.
This paper also sheds much light on the Family Court and number of child abuse cases, false and real, involved in marital breakdown. It was groundbreaking research, but that is another discussion.
Are you fucking retarded? Can you even read?
The studies show that in most cases, the woman is the agressor – wich means that the men are acting in self-defense. This should, by any means, JUSTIFY the blow to the nose – or the push. And these kind of things happen more often than not, i can guarantee you that.
This does’nt have shit to do with ‘a plate hitting the wall, nowhere near the husband’, which is a completely idiotic assumption if you even took the time to read reports on the topic, and use your common sense.
Read this:
http://www.dadsnow.org/essay/BROTT1.HTM
Pay special attention to this report, because everything stated in there is certainly more logical and reasonable than your flawed line of thought. The 40% statistic pretty much holds through the whole scenario, and the most obvious of these is that 40% of murder-victims in these relationships are male.
Now take into account that men are far less likely to report domestic violence than women, and you have a pretty even playfield all around. But the media and feminist sympathizers blow this shit so far out of proportion, that women are getting continualy victimized – even when they are not the victims.
You better start believing it. There’s something seriously wrong. Do you think men are pissed off by feminists just for the fun of it? Do you really think we have no right to be angry? My generation literally grew up to adulthood FALSELY believing men to be sick bastards all the way through. And through all this time, it’s beginning to show that these statistics have in fact been faked and twisted up since the beginning of the nineties.
But all we can really hold on to in this world, is our own experiences on this matter. And i can tell you that because I had the same ‘women-are-victims’ line of thought as everyone else in our population, I have been beat by women too. No, it was’nt serious, and no, i did’nt start crying like a baby. But I have certainly been hit a LOT more times, than I have hit back. And when i hit back, it’s only in self-defence.
People should come to their goddamn sences.
I’m tired of this site being infested with braindead cunts.
Someone needs to start a site even more hardcore than this.
Of course throwing a plate at the wall nowhere near where the man is standing is so much more violent than a man throwing his fist into a woman’s eye, disengaging the retina, breaking her nose and busting her lip, before jumping up and down on her and breaking her ribs and pelvis.
Silly me.
You are all so right.
What you are comparing is ridiculous. Yes, women get upset and release their frustration sometimes aggressively by throwing an object or lightly slapping a guy on the arm but that is a world apart from men battering women and to compare them as if they are the same thing is wrong and completely insensitive and inappropriate. And stupid. So you won’t get any respect or sympathy from me if you continue to engage in this kind of pathetic comparison.
If your girlfriend or wife is prone to temper tantrums and taking her frustration aggressively out on you (ie displacing her anger at her coworkers at you) then yes, you should establish boundaries to let her know that it isn’t appropriate and you won’t like it when she does so, nor put up with it. If however, you are suggesting that men should fight this sort of behaviour from a woman by responding to her with a fist to her mouth, then you have a serious problem.
If you fucking women really want some equal rights around here, you’d better stop whining. If you want the same rights – then start proving that you can really live up to it.
Because there’s a lot of men around, and they have been bitchslapped around for far too long. Either you start giving some respect – or eventually – they WILL take matters into their own fucking hands. And it won’t be pretty.
Oh, i see the debate is on here too. You want your fucking proof “Female”? Here you go:
[Copy/Paste]Excactly. Violence needs to come to a stop, and we need more focus on the whole subject. Women are in fact more violent than men.
http://www.fathers.ca/women_are_more_violent.htm
This is a fact from a scientific study. While men tend to do more damage than women, it’s not much. And in many cases, the women are the agressors.
The only solution to this problem, is for women to get out of their victim-roles in society.
So true. Have you got Faithless’s Renaissence 3 CD set? I can’t live without it.
Please also state your references to back up your claim that it is a known fact that women abuse twice as often as men for that is absolutely ridiculous and if I get a spare three hours I am going to hit you with an avalanche of citations to show the exact opposite.
Wake up Billy. According to the Children’s Defense Fund, 2001a, “every day in the US, 7,942 children are reported abused or neglected.” So if that many children are being affected by negligent or abusive people, how many women do you think are also being abused? None? Yeah, you probably do think zero and even if I or someone else was to provide you with evidence that 35,000 women in the US were reported battered or sought refuge in a women’s shelter, no doubt you would simply grin and feel all superior about it. How intelligent.
Kezrek you’re braindead.
Another victim of wimmens studies. They have been taught that there is no difference in genders. But then holding fast to
the chivlarous notion that men shouldn’t hit a woman. Why because men are stronger than women. Face it, men are better than women.
Some man stabs a baby everyday in this country? What a crock of shit.
The facts show that Mothers abuse children twice as often as anyone else. It more like everyday some Mother harms her children.
Women are not human for they are like fleshbots with no reasoning skills.
Dr Phil much?
No House or Trance is too much.
^ pure horseshit.
Too much House I think.
-Dick
It’s not women – it’s humans. Anyone who enforces their old views on the next generation is a fucking stubborn pig-faced backwards-thinking hopeless waste of carbon and time. Men do all these things too. There is an exception to every single opinion, and if that’s not realized, then human beings will never be great.
You’ve all had bad experiences, bad memories, bad connections, and bad dealings with someone and you have allowed a single cancerous cell of prejudice to spread throughout your body like a diseased lymphatic system. You are weak because of your hate. The opposite of love is not hate. It is discord.
Lots of women do stupid things. Lots of men do stupid things. Every day in this country a man stabs a baby. It’s happened twice today in my state. But alongside that, a teenaged girl didn’t stop at a stop sign and died in a ditch.
Anyone who holds spite for stupid, insignificant reasons has no life, and I really hope you don’t continue your views to the next generation. Humans shouldn’t be two genders. Humans should be HUMANS. If you can’t ignore things that disgust you, you will not improve yourself and thus you will be trapped in your opinonated, closed-minded pit for the rest of your life.
I’m human. Not a gender. My math teacher gave a presentation to our school all about genders. One phrase stated: “There are as many genders as there are people in this world.”
Your little rants up on this website are only talking about a very empty word. All it talks about are humans who hold XX alleles. And if you generalize that much, and are that inconsiderate, your brain is likely as powerful as a walnut. Good day, my fellow humans, and good luck.
Indeed they are.
- paul oakenfold – swordfish – 002 – the word
Makes complete sense.
Stats also show that many rapist have Mothers who were prositutes.
That never works because women never fucking listen. So let them embarass themselves.
shut up.
It’s true women hate babies, I’m a woman and I hate babies.
gwallan, how dare you introduce statistics that dispute joanna’s emotional outburst in defense of women using children like property and doing whatever the hell they want with them!!
No in seriousness, I knew of all those stats except the rape part. But if you know rape is a crime of anger not of high testosterone/savage sociobiology, then it makes perfect sense that the most likely rapist would have been doomed to be raised by some single cunt who chased his father away.
@joanna
The reality doesn’t back you up here. sots was close.
Divorce and Fatherhood Statistics
Some highlights
Interestingly, children in households where the absent father is highly and appropriately respected and honored by the mother and children (typically where the mother was widowed) do not suffer these same problems.
Even dead men are manly, I guess.
-wolfe
Men owe a great deal to women and should pay them great deference and reverence.
Were it not for women, we’d drown in money.
I know statistics, literacy, or reality aren’t of high concern for the Goddess species, but those do show that single mother households are 19? times more likely to have the child go to prison than single father households.
So unless a “better” life is watching your whore mother suck cock for drugs and groceries in a ghetto or trailer park, you fail it.
you are so wrong about this. if you don’t change your mind, then at least you should know that a single woman can raise a child better than 10 men can.
“If you’re happy being a tomboy then go for it. Be the best you can at what you want to be.”
And if your real lucky, you may be able to grow some balls and behave like a real human.
… forget feminism and believe that your science teacher is wrong and right in that order(I bet it’s a woman).
Don’t let feminists tell you what you should be. Do what is right for YOU. If you’re happy being a tomboy then go for it. Be the best you can at what you want to be. Don’t worry about what others say. They are only concerned with forcing you to be what they want.
The important thing is that in whatever YOU choose to do that YOU do it as well, and as honestly, as YOU can.
no im not saying that girls are bad , its just because im a tomboy and i just cant stand their bitchyness , & their saying : “omg i broke a nail!” or “omg my hair is ruined!” at school im always like “get over it”… i go to an all girls school & i only have 2 friends who are also tomboys…
but my science teacher said that girls are smarter then guys & they live longer! thats something im proud about Lol
Do post some links to the incensed cows. It ought to be a barrel of laughs.
aparently all the feminists sites have to talk about is this awseme website.
… , if that is your real name, there is nothing wrong with being a girl. (assuming you really are one, and not just being a troll).
Yes, men are better than women. No, that doesn’t mean that women are bad. Strive to be the best human being that you can be. Know your limitations (anyone have a link to that video?). Recognize your strengths.
Too much self-esteem is a horrible and dangerous affliction for a woman, but too little is almost as bad. (Both are bad for men as well, but the impact is quite different).
You appear to suffer from the latter. I would guess this is because you don’t have an active father in your life (but who knows).
Like many women, you hate babies, but at least you are honest about this.
My advice is get as much education as you are willing and able to get (and afford). Work hard, and try and do something for the community in which you live. No, I’m not preaching socialism — this should be voluntary — but, for example, visit the elderly in a nursing home. Or volunteer in a soup kitchen. Don’t do so to puff up a resume, but rather to enrich your life.
Even if you are an avowed atheist, you will find there is more in the heavens and earth than is dreamt of in thy philosophy, Horatia aka ‘…’ .
-wolfe
While this post almost put me to sleep.
I have to answer this portion. Women will never wake up to the said problems because women are only concerned with themselves.
Men are genuinely concerned with women and children and women exploit this to the fullest.
Men will just have to put a stop to the nonsense one way or another.
You should never beat a women, but there should be a place you can drop her off to have it done.
Ellipsis with issues warning!
-Big Al
i wish i was a guy…
being a girl sucks…
y did i have 2 b a girl! im not gonna have kids anyway. gross. i absolutley hate babies!!!
Luka said:
Well, I do see your point and agree to a degree… however, is it really right to assume that every man suffers physical, emotional and mental abuse in all their relationships with women? Is it also fair to say in situations where a man is violent towards a woman (without being provoked in the manner which I have just described) that the woman deserved it because it is the pressures of society upon this man that causes him (like a whipped dog) to lash out?
–What you are doing is avoiding the question, Luka. I have already stated that of course not ALL cases are like this. My question still remains, how many are actually like that? I am not “avoiding” responsibility, nor am I saying that all domestic violence is like that scenario. What I AM saying is that much of the RESPONSIBILITY, is placed upon the Mans shoulders even though he might be the one that needs the actual help. In my previous statement, I didn’t make any excuses for violence. I simply gave a reason WHY it might have happened and the causes for the problem through a parable.–
No! Emphatically not! In your post you claim (and rightly so) that women should have more responsibility for their actions, and yet you appear to suggest that such men are violent because of society, therefore taking away this man’s personal responsibility by blaming the ‘matriarchy’ and society at large. I find this to be highly hypocritical.
–In my previous post, I never wrote anything about the Matriarchy, nor did I suggest that Men are violent because of society. Men (in my view) are violent because of evolutionary trends (that is another arguement for later). If a man suffers from abuse of any sort, he has nowhere to go besides away from that problem, which leads to homelessness to say the least. Women have a smorgasboard of options to choose from. We aren’t even allowed in DV centers simply because of the fact that we’re Male! How can you even talk of hypocrisy, when we have to deal with this? You infer too much from my statements and as usual refuse to look at the whole picture. WE HAVE NO OPTIONS! WE CAN’T EVEN CALL THE POLICE(in most cases).
I agree that society is geared up in such a way that could be an influential factor in creating a feeling of frustration within a man that would be an explanation for him lashing out – yet, should not and can not be used as an excuse for his actions.
-You expect Men to live up to an Ideal that you yourself will never have to live up to. You call me a hypocrite? You agree with me and in the same sentence refute your own statement? Who is the hypocrite Luka? You ignore human nature when you say these things. You ignore cause and effect when you say these things. You also ignore biological imperative as well. You agree that there’s a factor that causes Men to lash out and yet you say that it’s inexcuseable to lash out. You cannot have your cake and eat it as well. –
What are not worth the time to decipher? Women or those sayings you mentioned? Interesting observation though. I have noticed there are many of such sayings which say a lot about society’s ideas about certain concepts or groups of people.
–I was vague in my last post, so I will clarify. Women aren’t worth the time to decipher Luka. Their “complexity” isn’t worth it. Their lies, ect ect (I believe I mentioned this in the last post).
Which thoughts and approaches in particular would you say that women have all wrong with respect to men? I am interested to know because of course I am open to learning such things, but also to understanding your point of view.
–I will start with perspective. To view Men as a “catch”, or as a potential debt slave is the wrong way to look at a PERSON in general. You must start by looking at them as a PERSON. What I make, or how I choose to live, shouldn’t really matter in my view. My thoughts and ideas should matter, the way I look at life should matter. My goals, they as well should matter. Not the materialistic cancer that is the rotting core of our society.–
You are correct. If used correctly acting the victim can be used to get oneself into a position of great power. Not sure if it is a perversion of nature, as I see it as more of an indication of a new aspect to the nature and concept of power that is so insidious that it can be easily overlooked.
–Agreed.–
I guess your reaction is a variation of ‘giving a dog a bad name…’ idea. It is true that if you are told you are a violent oppressor of women everyday you eventually begin to believe it, but this is different from actually being a violent oppressor of women.
Although I can understand this viewpoint that you have, I don’t agree with it because you are still giving away responsibility and placing it in the hands of society – while we are all products of society, we don’t have to be puppets, we are human beings who have responsibility for how we act.
–Yes however, when you hear about these wimmin bitching about a problem that they have a hand in creating, it quickly becomes both repetitve and ironic.–
…yet the question I would like to know is – how long will it take for women to wake up to the situation? I believe once both genders have their eyes open to the nature of the problem there may be a shift in how gender is treated. But then, maybe I am being far too optimistic? Not sure if I really answered your questions, abbaddon, by all means ask me to clarify if need be.
–As I have said before this isn’t a new thing. As to your question, I don’t know. To anwser it you must fully understand human nature, something that no one has really understood nor will fully understand.
-Strength and Honor–
At least we know where this one gets it.
-Dick
Thanks Luka and abaddon for an interesting dialog worth reading. You may wish to take that to the forums (especially Politik) if it continues at length.
-wolfe
Well, I do see your point and agree to a degree… however, is it really right to assume that every man suffers physical, emotional and mental abuse in all their relationships with women? Is it also fair to say in situations where a man is violent towards a woman (without being provoked in the manner which I have just described) that the woman deserved it because it is the pressures of society upon this man that causes him (like a whipped dog) to lash out?
No! Emphatically not! In your post you claim (and rightly so) that women should have more responsibility for their actions, and yet you appear to suggest that such men are violent because of society, therefore taking away this man’s personal responsibility by blaming the ‘matriarchy’ and society at large. I find this to be highly hypocritical.
I agree that society is geared up in such a way that could be an influential factor in creating a feeling of frustration within a man that would be an explanation for him lashing out – yet, should not and can not be used as an excuse for his actions.
What are not worth the time to decipher? Women or those sayings you mentioned? Interesting observation though. I have noticed there are many of such sayings which say a lot about society’s ideas about certain concepts or groups of people.
Which thoughts and approaches in particular would you say that women have all wrong with respect to men? I am interested to know because of course I am open to learning such things, but also to understanding your point of view.
You are correct. If used correctly acting the victim can be used to get oneself into a position of great power. Not sure if it is a perversion of nature, as I see it as more of an indication of a new aspect to the nature and concept of power that is so insidious that it can be easily overlooked.
I guess your reaction is a variation of ‘giving a dog a bad name…’ idea. It is true that if you are told you are a violent oppressor of women everyday you eventually begin to believe it, but this is different from actually being a violent oppressor of women.
Although I can understand this viewpoint that you have, I don’t agree with it because you are still giving away responsibility and placing it in the hands of society – while we are all products of society, we don’t have to be puppets, we are human beings who have responsibility for how we act.
I am not going to be an apologist for any man or woman who uses violence as a means to bully or degrade another person. I may understand that there are influences that caused him or her to act in such a way – that could be the ‘bad-childhood’ excuses or a ‘nature of society’ excuses – yet that does not mean he is not ultimately responsible for the course of action he/she decided to take.
Your question is not an easy one to tackle, as it would require an essay, a lot of research and plenty of follow up questions for the answer to be anywhere near useful to anyone. I don’t know how long it takes for men to become disgusted with the situation with gender at the moment. I think plenty of men are waking up to the situation and finding society’s concept of ‘maleness’ is becoming a strait-jacket and women are ‘taking the mickey’…
…yet the question I would like to know is – how long will it take for women to wake up to the situation? I believe once both genders have their eyes open to the nature of the problem there may be a shift in how gender is treated. But then, maybe I am being far too optimistic? Not sure if I really answered your questions, abbaddon, by all means ask me to clarify if need be.
Cheers
-Luka
I empathize, Sandra, I really do. This is what I see my kids going through every day. The lies my ex has told them about me are amazing.
Again, try and set a goal and keep your eyes on the prize. If you want to live with your dad, it’s possible to do it, you just have to carefully manipulate the situation.
Tell you what, Sandra. I don’t usually do this, but I’d be happy to give you some specifics that might help in your situation — but I doubt either of us would want to broadcast it to the world. So write me at dakotasmith at cableone dot net (written that way to avoid spam) if you’re inclined to.
yeah, even though my mother talks to him like shit he (unbelievably) puts that aside. and i hate her even more because of that. i feel like i have to stick up for me and him. but he tells me to be nice to her, tell her i love her, and tells me that she really does try. its so …
ugh.
I understand your situation entirely. It’s what I’m hoping to avoid with my own children, though that may be a vain hope.
I know it’s tough, but sometimes you have to look at this strategically — that is, what’s the overall war-plan rather than how is the individual battle going?
If the overall war plan is to be living with your dad, then it’s counter-productive to lose individual battles. Losing a battle in this case means making your mom feel bad because she’ll react by interfering in the long-term goal.
So when she starts bitching, lie. Say to her, “Mom, of course that’s not true, I love you and dad the same!”
In fact, speaking as a father, I say make your dad the bad guy. Clear it with him so that you’re on the same page, but I doubt he’ll care. Your mom hates him anyway, so hating him in this situation isn’t going to be any different.
Ask your dad what you can tell your mom that will make it sound like he needs you at his house for some reason. Then tell your mom you need to go over, not because it’s something you necessarily want to do, but because your dad needs the help.
Then she can bitch about him, but so what? She does that already.
Make your dad the bad guy and deflect things away from yourself and onto him. If he’s any kind of father, he’ll happily accept it.
i hate how my mom always puts him down. shes like “you love him more dont you?! god, you’re just like your father!” blahblahblah. and though at times i do like intentionally hurting her feelings (yes, im horrible), i cant help but mutter ‘no..’ when she asks me if i love my dad more. i hate how she constantly MAKES me chooses. shes hurting herself, because she knows -in the end- im going to pick my dad.
See, in your case, I’d think the “extended visit” scenario would work perfectly:
Tomorrow, make up an excuse to go see your dad. Call your mom late. Tell her you’re massively tired and ask if you can just spend the night rather than come home. Have your dad tell her that he’ll make sure you get to school on time, etc.
Next week, do it a couple of times. the week after that, a few more. Make up an excuse to spend weekends there.
After a while, you’ll be functionally living with him, and you won’t have to change schools or anything.
The trick, as near as I can tell, is to do it in a way that would avoid upsetting your mom. You want to avoid doing anything that makes her feel like she’s not a good parent, because then she’ll fight hard to prove that she is — and that may include forbidding you to see your father except at scheduled visitation times.
If you just go over and “hang out” at your dad’s, you get the same result as living with him but without offending her.
im leaving for college after this yr anyways. but i just turned 17 and i live in virginia. i see my dad lots because he only lives 15 minutes away. i like living here bc i live in walking distance to all my close friends and if i lived with my dad id go to this other school. i avoid stuff by just not talking to my mother. its easier that way.
May I ask your age and where you live? The reason is that I happen to know that at least in the US, most judges will listen to a child’s wishes when they’re above a certain age. If you tell your father that you’d rather live with him but make it clear that he needs to be the “bad guy” in bringing it before a judge so that you can avoid hurting your mother’s feelings, he’ll probably agree to do so.
You can also take the tactic that I’m taking: knowing that my ex doesn’t actually want the children, when my daughters say they miss me, I tell them that any time they want to visit, I’m happy to have them. This has resulted in two unscheduled visits so far, and they only moved at the end of the summer. My youngest is extremely clear that she wants to move back here and doesn’t like the large metro area where they live now.
What I’m doing is passively setting the stage for our scheduled Christmas visitation. At that point, there will be an opportunity for an extended visit after the scheduled one, since I’d be able to more easily enroll my daughters in the local school. If my daughters ask to visit me for the remainder of the school year, my ex will get used to them not being around.
And they simply may never come back.
I will not ask for an amendment to our custody arrangement, since that would certainly provoke her into fighting for custody and then put my daughters in the position of actually having to choose and make her feel bad. But if they just came for a visit and didn’t come back, and she kept getting monthly child support checks and always had the option to pull them if she wanted …
Again, I can’t speak to your specific circumstance, but you might see if your dad is amenable to extended visits as a way to start living with him.
aw thats sad. and not fair. i wish i lived with my dad. i live with my mother. yes, unfortunate.
This another difference between men and women, Sandra. We love our children and enjoy spending time with them.
I have two daughters. My youngest was born during finals week in my next-to-last semester of college. I credit her with a much higher grade in my 400-level Statistics course than I actually deserve: I missed the scheduled final because of her birth and made it up a few days later in the professor’s office. I had extra time to study, and in any case I think he went easy on me when grading the exam.
My youngest then spent the next semester on my knee. I quit my part-time job at Best Buy (I was the company’s first PC technician — the precursor to what has become the Geek Squad) because there was no point: whatever I’d've made there would have been less than the cost of day-care, and my ex was earning enough to support the three of us that semester.
I spent days in between my two classes that semester with my daughter. I studied with her on my knee, fed her, changed her diapers, took her to the mall when I needed a break, and so forth. While it took a lot of effort, I enjoyed it immensely because I love her dearly.
When I graduated, got a job, and had to leave her with day-care, I felt miserable. The first few days, I cried between dropping her off and getting to work.
I’d've given my left arm to have the opportunity to stay home and raise my daughters full-time. To this day, I’ve promised them that the moment I win the South Dakota lottery, I’ll start home-schooling them and spending all my time with them. Of course, they’re both old enough that they know it’s more likely I’ll be hit by lightning, but one can dream.
To my ex, the children are an afterthought, something she deals with because it’s socially expected of her. She even moved them five hundred miles away from me because that was where she wanted to be — knowing that it would cause our children pain and simply not caring. I now have frequent midnight phone calls from my youngest (she’s 11, now) who misses me terribly.
“It’s not fair!” she’ll cry, between sobs. All I can do is agree.
If she actually loved her children, would she have put them through the emotional wringer like this?
It’s like sex: it’s not fun for a woman to raise her children, it’s work. It’s not something she does because she wants to, she does it because she must.
It’s the most bizarre thing I’ve ever witnessed. The image of my ex crying in the bathtub because my sister got pregnant months before she did and then demanding that we have children while I was still in college is a massive contrast to how she actually would rather not be burdened by them.
im just going to establish the fact that i have the worst mother in the world. but anyways, i think that most mothers are usually really good mothers who try so hard to be the best that they can be, that it literally drains everything out of them (“mommy madness” anyone?).
Luka said:
Nobody deserves to be beaten black and blue in a relationship, it is not an appropriate way to behave, even when provoked. There is never any justification or excuse for that behaviour. People who engage in violence within a relationship have issues – with anger or self-control whatever and need to seek help.
-I think that you are wrong here, take for example the dog that is constantly beaten and whipped. Chained to its post it cannot do anything against its tormentors. Yet you would blame the dog for lashing out violently? It’s similar in principle Luka, after years of physical, emotional, and mental abuse, SUPRISINGLY SOME MEN LASH OUT! WHAT A SURPRISE! I WONDER WHY THAT HAPPENED!? Not every case is like this however I wonder how many actually are like that. Women have no concept of what they do to other people, nor do they care.–
However, if a woman is with a man with such issues and is fully aware of his temper it makes no sense to call her a victim if she provokes him with jealousy and mind games. I am not defending his actions, but she is partly responsible for the reaction she has provoked. Usually such women provoke a man in this way to gain a reaction and is another form of bullying in itself.
–It’s called manipulation, and women are experts at it. They recieve training from birth onwards. Why do you think that women talk about how they are going to “catch” a man e.g. “Nice catch”? There are many examples of this and many womens approaches and thoughts torwards men are flawed to begin with, thats why they get used and thrown away. They aren’t worth the time to decipher.–
No, I am not avoiding the viewpoint that such women deserve a beating because I ‘dont have the balls’ as you put it. That is because I don’t think anyone ‘deserves’ a beating. Who am I to judge who is or isn’t deserving of such treatment?
I would never ever wish that upon another human being. I know it may appear that way but I am limited on an internet forum to communicate a subtle difference in my point… what I am looking at is cause and effect… if a woman knows how to press the buttons to create a violent reaction in a man who she knows has issues with anger and violence, who is really the victim in such a situation?
–In my view, many women gain power through being a “victim”. The refusal to accept responsibility for your own words or actions, gives you power. You don’t have to have a “conscience”. You don’t have to work with a code of ethics, which would limit you torwards an honorable course of action. In todays society being a victim is what its all about. You gain power through being “powerless” (a true perversion of nature).–
Feminists create their own enemies every day. How long do you have to hear that you’re a violent oppressor of women, day in and day out before you actually become one? How long do you have to listen to the lies, the self-effacing comments, the subtle denials, the narcissim, ect ect, before you become completely disgusted with that whole aspect of humanity? What does it take? Tell me Luka I am interested in your anwser to this question.
-Strength and Honor-
So to your fat arse likely does.
Despite the slightly mocking tone you have there, I will take that as a compliment. Thank you.
Nobody deserves to be beaten black and blue in a relationship, it is not an appropriate way to behave, even when provoked. There is never any justification or excuse for that behaviour. People who engage in violence within a relationship have issues – with anger or self-control whatever and need to seek help.
However, if a woman is with a man with such issues and is fully aware of his temper it makes no sense to call her a victim if she provokes him with jealousy and mind games. I am not defending his actions, but she is partly responsible for the reaction she has provoked. Usually such women provoke a man in this way to gain a reaction and is another form of bullying in itself.
No, I am not avoiding the viewpoint that such women deserve a beating because I ‘dont have the balls’ as you put it. That is because I don’t think anyone ‘deserves’ a beating. Who am I to judge who is or isn’t deserving of such treatment?
I would never ever wish that upon another human being. I know it may appear that way but I am limited on an internet forum to communicate a subtle difference in my point… what I am looking at is cause and effect… if a woman knows how to press the buttons to create a violent reaction in a man who she knows has issues with anger and violence, who is really the victim in such a situation?
Luka, that was a typical feminine response, and I guess I didn’t expect anything different from you. The fact that you didn’t say something similar is a bit shocking. Even more amazing is:
What you said was 50% correct, so I took the liberty of putting the other 50% in. But that was a very good attempt at open minded thinking there. Congrats, Luka, because I am starting to gain respect for you.
However, that is exactly what you’re saying. If you were a man, you wouldn’t have to say it without saying it like that. That’s why men are born with balls.
Gents, take it to the Politik Man Forums.
-Dick
wolfe, surely the Muslim masses support Bin Laden no matter what he does. They fundamentally hate America and to them any alternative is better. But the actual top teirs of the structure of Al Queda? Of course they have different opinions than him. They’re not pawns, there associates and fellow terrorists and veterans of the Afghan-Soviet war.
Do you think they don’t have say in the strategy of their Jihad against the west? It has been said that Bin Laden is the figurehead, but Dr. Zawahiri the mastermind of operations.
And Bin Laden’s persmission from Islamic religous elites is vital to his propaganda effort and recruiting in this war. Was not Caesar even proclaimed Emporer for life by the pagan religious leaders before the Senate said so?
It’s extremely difficult for me to evaluate the threat posed to the US by Muslim terrorists. The problem is simple: what information do you trust?
A fair percentage of the information comes from the press. Unfortunately for the press, I’ve had too many dealings with its members in the past to trust anything they report. I’ve been directly involved in news stories on a number of occasions, and in every single one, what the press reported and what I saw or did didn’t match. In one instance, I even had a reporter for the Chicago Sun-Times actually make up quotes. Admittedly, I liked what she claimed I said better than what I actually said, but the fact remains that it was total fiction. It wasn’t a misquote: what I said had the same intent, but she reworked it so that it had greater emotional impact.
So I’ve learned to assume that anything you read from the member of the press should be assumed to be wholly fiction — or at best, tangential to reality.
Leaving out the press as a source of information, we have government sources. The problem with trusting them is that they’ve already proved themselves to be either unreliable or outright lies. On a good day, I tend to choose the former explanation, and today is a good day.
Given: the intelligence wings of the government have consistently failed to do good work for decades (they said the Soviet Union was still a threat almost as it was imploding).
Given: under the best of circumstances, information released by government to the public will have as a first goal reassuring the public and secondarily to confuse the enemy.
Given: the press is inherently inaccurate.
What source can one trust to inform one’s opinions?
There is only one: personal friends. That’s all. People that you’ve known and trusted for a long time and who have personal experience in whatever it is that you’re interested in.
This is why, when the WTC towers fell in what looked like a controlled demolition, I immediately called my oldest friend. He is a forensic engineer who worked for a number of years at Boeing, and his job was to take planes that had crashed, reconstruct them, and figure out what failed and how they fell apart. While not an expert in building construction, you can see that the same scientific principles apply.
When he told me that the towers probably pancaked, I believed him. I still believe him. I didn’t pay the slightest attention to the press or the government or the conspiracy theorists, I listened to the informed opinion of someone I knew I could trust.
Who involved in international terrorism can I trust?
No one I know.
Consequently, I don’t have a basis on which to evaluate the true threat Muslim terrorists pose. I agree that there is a potential threat, but it’s possible that this is simply a case of “the mouse that roared.” I mean, I could get some people to give me permission to kill ten million Americans, but could I actually pull it off?
Heh. Women are not 100% angels in the relationship department, let’s face it.
I know this is very non-PC but I am completely against violence in a relationship – that said, some women I know in my life I would easily give a punch in the gob if I were her boyfriend. What some feminists seem to ignore is the fact that some women ARE SO ANNOYING that they earn themselves a slap in the face.
A woman I once knew used to tease her boyfriend about her sleeping with other men among other fucked up mindgames and wonder why he would get all insecure and violent towards her… don’t get me wrong, there is rarely an excuse for using violence nor would I say she ‘deserved’ to be treated that way….however she is NOT a victim, she provokes him to act against his better nature, when he lashes out she is the victim, not him – even though she is emotionally and psychologically abusing him!
Women are capable of malice, mind games and violence, it is not impossible that a divorce would be an option for a man with such a woman as a wife and that a woman can be mostly to blame for that turn of events.
The idea that bin Laden lost support from the faithful Muslims? Hmmm… did you see all the people from Morocco through Indonesia cheering in the streets after 9/11?
I don’t think bin Laden feels he needs permission from anyone to take 10 million US lives.
I also doubt they he can take that many, not without a lot of nuclear weapons, and I don’t see them gaining (and smuggling in) more than one or so. A hundred thousand dead? Sure.
And that, ironically, would be the one thing that probably would rouse America: mass civilian casualties.
The other scenario of 4 million Iranians pouring across the border… while awful, that’d be a very bad move on the Iranian’s part. First, most Arabs would view that as Persians attacking Arabs. Second, they’d be relatively easy to stop if they poured across the border like that. Finally, it’d be a blatant causus belli, even for the Europeans. Coupled with a nuclear strike on New York killing 100,000 innocent people, I imagine even (especially) Hillary Clinton would be screaming for us to nuke Tehran.
No, it’s the slow steady drip of military casualties combined with defeatist democrats that poses the biggest threat to us, I think. Quiet Iranian funding, technology transfer, and a slow steady stream of suicide bombers being infiltrated seems more likely from the Iranians. From non-state actors, I agree, a nuclear device used on US soil is a near certainty over the next 20 years.
-wolfe
But those wars of attrition and massive deaths are exactly what our enemies are willing to do, for however long it takes. Bin Laden and friends once believed that terrorist attacks with convential weapons and guerilla tactics alone would shake the will of the US. It has, but so far it appears we’re not waving the surrender flag yet…
But what happens with a combination of a nuclear strike on NYC or DC, and 4 million Iranian suicide bombers and soldiers pouring across the border into Iraq to slaughter our troops?
I don’t know how many of you are really informed about Al Queda, but there is a reason US soil has not been attacked since 9/11. And I’m sorry fellas, it’s not because of anything we’re doing.
After the 9/11 strikes, Bin Laden lost much support from his most trusted troops, who even fought with him against the USSR in the 80’s. Even his own son abandoned him!! You see, in Islam, Muhammed orders you give your enemies ample chance to convert before attacking. And in the past 5 years Al Queda has done nothing but tell Americans the shock that is coming and they can make it all go away. Now the warnings are finished and Bin Laden has been given permission from Muslim scholars to take 10 MILLION AMERICAN LIVES.
@Dakota, on your argument re US rule over Europe, the short answer is “No.”. Here’s the long answer:
Actually just that happened, and back in 1986 during the Cold War. (Pre-Bush, back when everyone supposedly loved us and feared the Soviets). The strike on Soviet-backed Libya. Libyan terrorists had set off bombs in Germany, supplied arms to the IRA and been up to their usual nastiness. That wasn’t enough for Europe.
With the exception of Great Britain, everyone in Europe refused the Reagan administration overflight/airspace rights. So the US had to fly a 2800-mile mission, refueling in the air 5 times.
Having visited (and even lived there), the idea that the US rules Europe is not one that’s easy for me to give much credence to. Exercises a lot of commercial influence? Cultural influence? Sure. Rules? No.
I’d agree with that. And, as in the 1986 example, Europe has only grown more hostile to operational US military use of their airspace. Don’t count on any flights out of (or even over) European countries with the possible exception of Britain if (say) Iran gets bombed.
Your view on PNAC/WoT is more cynical than mine, but I agree with most of it.
Your final paragraph on “nasty war… no connections to the US” and what we’d do in the event of a WW2-type situation are bang on. I concur completely.
-wolfe
Actually, I disagree: the US does, in fact, rule all of Europe and a fair chunk of Asia (though not all).
The proof? There are very few countries left that control their own airspace.
If a US military aircraft takes off from a base in Germany or Japan, it need not wind its way around borders. It may go effectively wherever it likes whenever it likes.
Certainly in most cases the US will make the pretense of “asking permission” for the aircraft to fly through another country’s airspace, but that’s a formality at best. Few countries would deny permission, and if they did, there would be hell to pay. Furthermore, what if they did deny permission? There’s nothing to stop the US from ignoring them short of actually shooting down a US aircraft. How many countries are technologically capable of doing so? How many would take the risk?
I submit that since the first wave of attack in any war for the forseeable future will come from the air, any country that has relinquished sovereignity of its airspace to another country no longer has effective sovereignity at all.
Reverse it to see what I mean: would the US allow, say, a North Korean bomber to take off from a base in Canada and overfly American airspace? Not on your life, it wouldn’t! Yet a vast majority of countries in the world will allow a US bomber to overfly them.
Consequently, any country that acts as though it is sovereign in this day and age is doing so with the US’ blessing. In real life, if any of them gave the US real trouble, the US could come in and destroy them at any time.
This is as close to a true world government as we’ll ever see.
PNAC seeks to expand this kind of sovereignity to the entire world. It’s doomed to failure because, as we both agree, the US citizenry simply won’t put up for what’s necessary to see it through for the time necessary for it to be successful.
The intent, I assume, is to use the War On Terror as a new Cold War to get people used to at least footing the bill and providing soldiers to implement PNAC. As long as terrorists exist somewhere there can always be a War On Terror. And since terrorism is a tactic employed by the undergunned in any conflict, there will always be terrorism somewhere.
Again, I don’t think getting people used to funding PNAC via the War On Terror will work long-term. The problem is that if the War On Terror is fairly successful (which it’s been so far), eventually terrorists will stop threatening the US in favor of a lesser target. At the point at which there’s been no threats to the US, people will start wondering why all the money is being spent to fund overseas operations that have nothing to do with American security.
And of course, all it takes is for one really nasty war in a foreign country with no connections to a US threat to make the whole house of cards fall down. In reality, the war in Iraq hasn’t even been a war compared to anything fought in the 20th century. I’m not sure what the American public would do in this day and age if conditions were anything like what my grandparents experienced in WWII.
@Son of the suns – Dakota’s advice is very good. I’d toss in (even though it’s a bit juvenile, and even if he has become more conservative) J Neil Schulman’s Alongside Night. He also had another book written (I think) in the 80’s that had the Politically Correct winning control of society. It was disturbingly prescient as to the changes that would appear in our society.
Heinlein of course if you haven’t already.
Jerry Pournelle — mostly, though not exclusively conservative. But his book “Oath of Fealty” was, I felt, a relatively libertarian work that had some interesting thoughts on order, security and freedom. I believe that book coined the phrase “Think of it as evolution in action”, used when someone dies doing something very stupid and evil.
-wolfe
@Dakota A Nokia 770. And there’s a passable PDF reader included, but the rendering engine is horribly slow. Given that it’s a 225/250 MHz (forget which) StrongARM processor, this is hardly surprising. Even if it were a fast rendering engine, I greatly prefer using FBReader which is lightning fast and lets you customize ebooks to look the way you want them to. At 275 dpi, the 770 is very close to passable laserprint quality. It’s not typeset, but it’s very nice and readable. Good for people who like to play around with technology; not so good for typical end users.
As for Northwoods — and I only know what I read back in the late 90’s, so if more’s come out since then, I might be out of date — my understanding was that it was a DoD produced, military-approved document rather than something out of the civilian/political side. It certainly did contain a number of terrible ideas though. That doesn’t totally invalidate your argument, but it does let politicians off the hook, IMO, on that narrow charge.
I do think that the greatest danger is not Politican X, but the faceless bureaucrat X. Virtually every single one of the Patriot Act proposals had been charted out in the Justice Department at least as far back as the Janet Reno days.
As you say, we’ll have to agree to disagree, but if it’s any consolation, I do think there are plenty of bureaucrats as dark and nasty as you suggest (and Northwoods certainly supports that view)… just not well enough organized or capable of mounting such a conspiracy.
I don’t see PNAC as trying to rule 5 billion people via a world government; I do see it trying to repeat what was done in Germany and Japan after WW2. (You could of course argue that involved ruling over Germany and Japan for some years. True enough… but not over all Europe and Asia). And even that lesser goal is simply not overly feasible, given the state of the rest of the world.
The British Empire had a lengthy try over some centuries, and it had some spectacular successes, but Singapore, and Hong Kong are the only ‘non-colonized’ places that really stand out. Moreover, South Korea was about as a big a success on the part of the US, and that at least didn’t involve the burden of Empire.
Given that US efforts are going to be generally lesser (though may involve a lot more money) unless we really do want American Empire (I don’t; you sure don’t!), I just don’t see it as overly feasible.
As usual, I’ve a marginally sunnier view of PNAC; we both do agree whatever the view it’s approaching zero feasibility.
-wolfe
By using a police state and not being afraid to kill anyone who gets in the way. Note that I said short of a worldwide police state, ruling five billion people was impossible.
Note that the shreading of the US Constitution began in earnest only after the first Federal victim disarmament laws a little under a century ago. There is a causal relationship.
See, every human being pulling down a government check needs to be afraid for his life every waking hour.
Specifically, Congressman Joe Blow should sleep with his back to the wall, worried that one his constituents — packing the same or better heat than his personal guards might carry — will at any moment show up and blow his brains all over the Rotunda ceiling.
If government officials are afraid that the next law they pass might be their last, they won’t pass very many laws.
A century ago, politicians had every reason to be afraid. Consequently, government was limited. Today they have no reason to be afraid, and they’re spreading government overseas.
China will collapse for the same reason as the Soviet Union did, and under the same circumstances: the United States will stop propping it up. Without outside help, China is no more economically viable than the Soviet Union was.
For that matter, it’s pretty clear that the US will ultimately collapse the same way. Socialism is economically unstable for a variety of reasons and in the end causes its own demise.
My fear is that China and the US will collapse at about the same time — China falling shortly after the US because it no longer had US checks to keep it afloat.
That’s preposterous. China alone is what? 2 billion? They seem to be managing quite well indeed at keeping all the biorobots in line.
Such arguments are akin to that that legally, or otherwise, possessing and hauling firearms on the thigh is somehow an effective deterrent towards governmental legislated and institutionalised abuse of its own citizens that yanks seem to dread every waking moment as well as in their nightmares.
Perhaps not all that unwarranted or undue an uneasiness, after all. Merely the precautions against such that are risibly childish.
One thing though. China ruling the world is far worse a prospect, from where I stand, than America.
And, worryingly, America isn’t going to be even the de facto world ruler for much longer. It’s China’s ascendence as economic world leader that will usher the end times.
I urge you to read L. Neil Smith, then. There’s nothing he writes that is not anarcho-capitalist. Even his Llando Calrissian Adventures (some of the first Star Wars tie-in novels) have an anarcho-capitalist message.
Start with The Probability Broach. It’s still in print and can be found at Amazon and a number of higher-end booksellers. I also recommend the graphic novel of TPB released last year. I forget who published it, but you can ask for it from your local comic store or Google it.
After that, buy and download the unexpurgated Tom Paine Maru. It’s very useful to have read TPB first.
There are a number of books that fall chronologically between TPB and TPM, and all of them are quite good. But TPB and TPM are by far my favorites. Also, the other books are out of print, so you have to go to online used bookstores to find them.
Also try Forge Of the Elders, which I believe is also in print. It’s a massive book and was originally planned as three books — the final book of which was cancelled by the publisher for being far too politically incorrect. Imagine a near-future where Soviet-style totalitarianism was rescued from its 1990s demise by the American government …
Neil’s also working on a book he calls “the Texas book” that I’ve been lucky enough to read drafts of. Imagine an alternate universe where Taxas became its own country … and something very strange happened in Roswell in 1948 …
It doesn’t have DRM that I’m aware of. Neil’s not a believer in DRM, and in any case I know how the PDF was generated and I’m pretty sure there’s no provision for DRM in that process.
What handheld, by the way? I’ve got a variety of PDF readers for a variety of handhelds …
There were about 40 pages of the book cut immediately before the book went to print. Neil was not happy. He thought the cuts were pointless, gutting much of his message about repression as a survival characteristic. I didn’t notice it so much reading the book, but when I read the unexpurgated version, I understood what he was talking about.
The additional text does not, in my mind, transform the book dramatically, it clarifies some portions that seemed a little vague.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. It’s just that I still remember the days before 9/11 when everyone in Washington was a blood-sucking bottom-feeder rife with amoral strife. 9/11 didn’t change anyone’s personality, so why should I assume they’re better today?
I’ve also read a fair amount about Operation Northwoods. so I’m pretty sure Washington bottom-feeders fantasize about things like that. If Johnson was doing it, why would any of his antecedants be any better? They’re all the same kind of power-mad sociopath, after all.
At worst, they think that if they were dictator, they could change the world for the better. At best, they’re all about the pussy they can get while in office.
We’ve kind of discussed this, but moral questions aside, I think PNAC is bad because it is unimplementable. I totally understand that they think they’d be doing the world a favor by making the US the de jure world government instead of only the de facto one. I don’t see, however, that it’s possible to implement short of a world police state. Five billion people simply can’t be ruled from a central government if five billion people don’t want to be ruled.
There is no way to convince five billion people to want to be ruled from a central government. It’s just not happening. So unless the US is prepared to commit serious resources to the project — trillions of dollars over many years, with a concerted effort and the understanding that it will kill a generation or two of soldiers — then there’s no point in even getting started.
A central government ruling five billion individuals is only marginally more implementable than herding five billion cats.
I need to start reading libertarian/anarcho-capitalistic SciFi.
I’ve always despised Star Trek which is the antithesis of a free future. Star Wars is kind of in between, we know George Lucas is a Jedi fanboy and the Jedi stand for the Republic, but do they also stand for the corruption that goes with it? The Sith seem to think so, which is how the chosen one was seduced to join them to wipe the Jedi clean.. well that and seeing his wife with the former best friend who has come to kill you.
As far as tv/movies go.. Firefly or Farscape, seems like a better future. The only standing goverments in those universes are far from governed, and are notably evil and imperialistic. But people can choose to live the rough life, survive, and keep their souls from damnation.
I was actually looking at that. Does the PDF have DRM? (Reason being I convert PDF’s these days to TXT or RTF so I can read them on my handheld). I probably have a dead-tree version somewhere in a box in a basement… I just can’t remember where, and it obviously isn’t the unexpurgated version.
As for Schulman, sounds like his views are closer to the ones I hold. (As you know, I’ve said in the past that I’ve shifted somewhat away from libertarianism.) I don’t think Bush or most politicians fantasize about 9/11. If I did, I’d be very profoundly down on the world. Yes, I do grasp the distinction you make.
(Though I actually do think most of the Bush team viewed Iraq as part of PNAC, though necessary as well from their perspective. I don’t think PNAC is bad, I just think it’s not feasible in limited (5-10 years) time. I therefore remain pretty dubious about handling it the way they did).
-wolfe
Interestingly enough, Schulman and I are no longer really corresponding. We had, for a while, after 9/11. I think he’s sort of gone and made the usual conservative mistake, which is that the US Republicans actually had something other than PNAC in mind with Iraq.
Anyway, in discussing 9/11 with him, I told him my honest opinion, which is that while I don’t for a moment believe that the Bush Administration orchestrated 9/11, I do think that they opportunistically seized it as an excuse to expand government power. I also said that were it the Mafia rather than the FedGov, I might actually suspect Bush of having orchestrated it, because that’s the sort of wet dream politicians tend to have but rarely carry out in real life.
If it had been the Mafia, who has a history of keeping secrets (they still haven’t found Jimmy Hoffa, and who knows who really shot JFK), I could see a grand conspiracy. But the FedGov? Too many people would know: people who’d rat out the conspirators the moment that they thought it would advance them politically.
Schulman would never listen to me when I told him repeatedly that I’m sure politicians think about doing things like 9/11 for any number of reasons, but they don’t act on it because they know they’d get caught. He seemed to think I was actually saying that Bush did it, and that made me one of the crazies in his mind. Or maybe it just sort of bugged him that I would think an American President would have those kinds of Lex Luthor-esque fantasies. Don’t know, but he pretty much told me to fuck off. ;)
Not to toot my own horn, but if you buy his unexpurgated version of Tom Paine Maru (available as an eBook), you’ll see a chapter at the end written by me, actually … ;)
Yes, though I found Crystal Empire to be a stretch (in being part of the same universe). I also haven’t read any of the Taflak Lysandra series.
TPB was the first book of his that I ever read, and it was years before I found any of the others. I lived in an area where booksellers thought “SF” meant Star Wars and Star Trek novelizations.
Only the fact that the local library had somehow made a huge ordering error (they almost never ordered in SF, even by Heinlein, though they did get some Asimov in) exposed me to TPB. Lord knows how I found it. It was a paperback that had been recovered in the most dingy, ugly cover imaginable, and then misfiled in with General Fiction. For some reason I picked it up, and was hooked pretty much from the get-go.
I was reasonably young, and it was the very first good “modern” libertarian fiction I read (as well of course as being the first work of his). I remember being astonished to see it was published in 1980… pretty much everything else I’d read along vaguely libertarian lines (mostly Heinlein, a bit of Rand) dated from the 50’s and 60’s.
For that reason, TPB will always have a special place in my heart, even if Tom Paine Maru is superior.
Amusing sidenote: I stumbled across J. Neil Schulman’s “Alongside Night” a few years after encountering TPB. I actually didn’t think it was as well-written as TPB (some critics seem to disagree), but I did wonder briefly if there was some secret convention amongst libertarian SF authors that their names all had to be of the form “X. Neil Xxxxxx”.
Great that he’s a buddy of yours.
-wolfe
Very apt parallel. The Probability Broach has to be in my top 100 favorite books I think. Certainly top 100 SF.
Are you aware that all of El Neil’s books occur in the same shared multiverse? For example, in The Crystal Empire (an alternate universe where all the Europeans were killed by the Plague), it’s learned that the antagonist is stealing technology of alternate universes by way of telepathy. In one scene, he mentions that his telepath have located what can only be the Galactic Confederacy universe.
In Forge Of the Elders, a character from Tom Paine Maru appears — and TPM is itself about two hundred years in the future from the same universe as The Probability Broach.
In fact, while I love TPB, I actually prefer Tom Paine Maru. Imagine the same anarcho-capitalists settling the stars (Win Bear’s daughters are central characters, as a matter of fact). Their mission: to eliminate government wherever they find it. :)
And actually TPM is based on a logical outgrowth of a plot thread from The Venus Belt:
In that novel, Hamiltonians start kidnapping women from both Win’s home universe and the NAC, and implant them with computer chips designed to control them and make them into slaves. The plan was to then steal a few experimental starships and go found Hamiltonian colonies. Unfortunately for them, Win and company manage to foil their plan partly, by messing up their Broach-based drive systems and shutting down the computer chips. They still made their jump for the stars, but with the women unenslaved and the starships emerging at random destinations and at random times (sometimes thousands of years in the past) and in random universes.
Tom Paine Maru then concerns itself with the rediscovery of these “lost colonies,” some of which have been going for a thousand years or more from the perspective of the protagonists.
Then there’s the Taflak Lysandra heptalogy (of which, only Brightsuit MacBear [the adventures of Win's teenaged great-grandson] and Taflak Lysandra [the adventures of G. Howell Nuhatl's adopted daughter -- yes, the coyote adopted a human]) were ever written. They were intended to be a series of juveniles, but they take place in the same timeframe as Tom Paine Maru and they’re quite good.
As I say, I really love his books. He’s also a buddy of mine, and he agrees with me that Heinlein was a better writer, so it’s ok for me to say that. :)
@Dakota re posts 59-61. It’s interesting that our impulse to assist the poor girl was the same. Mine was just couched in somewhat less help and somewhat more humor. I liked yours too. Very hyper-rational.
Very apt parallel. The Probability Broach has to be in my top 100 favorite books I think. Certainly top 100 SF.
@son of the suns: Crudely but succinctly put. As Dakota says, TMK.
@Dakota I find it profoundly sad… but I agree, it’s black humor all right.
-wolfe
Totally masculine kudos for saying this. I’ll go to my grave remembering that particular truth.
All one needs in order to see the truth of this is to look at what women have done with their “liberation” in the last half-century: one long exercise in binge drinking, screwing anyone they could find, and breaking up families.
The really dark humor in all this is that the only lasting impact of feminism has been to turn women into useless sex objects.
Puerile little girl.
Dakota I’ve got a daughter and I’m trying my best to help her learn to use logic and that it’s OK to be critical about something, not bitchy, critical.
As we men know Logic is an unnatural state of mind for most wimin, shit 99.9% of ‘em, but despite the hardship, I can’t let her mother who is, in my opinion, nice but neurotic, be the guiding influence on her life. At least she doesn’t use her daughter as a weapon against me (yet anyway).
Dakota I hope the ex doesn’t try too fuck you around. Too many women see children as leverage against their ex.
Ladies Children are Human beings not possessions or accessories. (nice one gwallan).
lizzy said:
i hate men but i love my dad
-In one sentence, you have proved you are a complete fucking hypocrite. Don’t worry though, women do it all the time Orwell (someone you haven’t read obviously) called it “doublethink”.
u no y coz he is a good guy and dosnt say shit like that
-No, I don’t know Lizzy, is he a good guy because he never tells you that you can’t do something? Or is he a good guy because he never tells you that you are a moron?
and u love your kids but hate all women
-Look at how fragile their minds are! They cannot even accept constructive critisism! How can you say that we hate women? Look to your own hypocrisy before you try to speak of our hatred.
or just your x wife ??
y coz she leftd u
well u no wat u probly fuking desereved it
I’m guessing 13-14 tops, what a dumbass. I won’t even go into the whole “spelling” thing.
-Strength and Honor-
Because they’re without honor, loyalty, or capable of commitment.
Why do you think man invented marriage? To tell sluts who they can’t fuck. Except it doesn’t work now with “womens rights”. Women’s right to violate everything decent and get away with it and even be encouraged. These “things” are scum.. a whole other species not fit to live within range of us..
My ex is going behind my back to my friends saying she heard “im strung out on meth”… nevermind that she’s the substance abusing parasite who betrayed me the first chance she got, and I barely even drink alcohol. She’s the drunk who hangs out with a bunch of meth addicted trailer trash.
In 3 decades or less.. Chinese school children will be learning how they overcame the American giant and became the sole superpower in the world without firing a shot. Feminism, they will say…
Empathy is not a bad thing. I am just shocked seeing it coming from a woman. Women usually just hear that a relationship is done, and automatically side with their own gender. They never once consider that the woman is to blame.
You know of what I speak. The times when a man cheats, he is the villain and only he is to be blamed. But if she was the one cheating, then somehow they see it as her being the victim and that he is the one at fault.
It just amazes me to see a woman who can actually view a scenario like this in an unbiased way.
You talk of empathy like it is a bad thing.
Divorces generally tend to be unpleasant for all involved, at times they can be devastating; they essentially break up families and cause much anguish and pain.
Would you agree with the ’sentiment’ that Dakota (or anyone) deserves to go through something like that? I don’t agree. If that makes me an empathetic person, so be it. There are far worse things you could accuse me of.
Is that empathy I smell?
I don’t know that anyone (man or woman) ‘deserves’ to go through the pain and heartbreak of a divorce. They say that an ending of a relationship, particularly a marriage is as painful as the death of a loved one. I would find it hard to wish that kind of pain upon anybody.
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like sonyad said, ‘as[s]inine’…’the lot of you’, that last bit’s what i say.
Lizzy, you really want to have some conception of what you’re writing about.
I left my wife because she was abusive — emotionally, verbally, and ultimately physically. And that’s not my opinion, that’s the diagnosis of her therapist.
And yes, after thirteen years of unrelenting abuse, I learned to hate my ex-wife. I defy anyone who has a supposed “loved one” tell them that they’re shit for 13 years, in no uncertain terms and in a myriad of ways, to continue liking them.
That said, please go tell your father that in a pique of ignorance, you told a man who’d been abused by his spouse for 13 years that he deserved it. I’m extremely curious what he’d say to you.
If he’s a good father, he’d ask you what the hell you were doing on a site like that in the first place and then take away your computer priviledges for a week. He’d also ground you for displaying a callous level of ignorance.
And that’s how you mitigate against a girl’s tendancy to be an attention-whoring slut: by teaching her that doing so has negative consequences. Enough classical conditioning, and a girl will start to self-limit her behavior.
i hate men but i love my dad
u no y coz he is a good guy and dosnt say shit like that
and u love your kids but hate all women
or just your x wife ??
y coz she leftd u
well u no wat u probly fuking desereved it
Two, actually.
It upsets me a great deal. I consider it one of my many roles as her father to attempt to mitigate what are my daughters’ inherent tendancies to be attention-whoring sluts. It troubles me no end that now that I’m divorced, their primary influence is their lying, selfish, abusive skank of a mother.
As always, female visitors to this site misunderstand: just because you think one thing is better than another doesn’t mean you can’t like the other thing.
I think that Robert Heinlein was a better writer than L. Neil Smith — but I still love L. Neil Smith’s books.
I think that men are better than women, but I still love my daughters.
See how that works? Just because something is better doesn’t mean you can’t like the inferior thing too.
hahah fuk yeh go jenny
all u guys need to grow up and get the fuk over it
i really dont give a shit wat u say to me
all i wanted to say is i think this site is bull shit and y dont u
pll go and get a fuking life and stop bitching
u all sound like women
So Dakota Smith, you have a daughter ay… does it upset you that shes going to grow up to be a lying, cheating, whore, cunt whatever words you like to describe woman as… that goes for all of you. You degrade women so much yet you love your prescious mothers, sisters, wives, daughters, neices, whatever… go throw your fucking daughter out on the street because apparently according to all of you, the fact that she is female that is all she deserves… you guys are pathetic..
Oh, Great Ghu, wolfe, that was so much better than mine. For some reason it never occurred to me that Lizzy was writing a haiku. That laugh just made my morning. :D
You know what I think about? The fact that girls like Lizzy are so incoherent.
I have trained my almost-13-year-old daughter that while 133t has its place, it is never in public discourse. Consequently, I’m quite certain that both of my daughters can write more coherently than this:
So, Lizzy, let’s do a little third-grade grammar lesson. Here’s how you could’ve written this incoherent crap so that people could actually understand it:
See how that works? It’s still nonsense, but at least it’s comprehensible nonsense. From that standpoint, one could at least go on to argue coherently about your ideas.
Without making your ideas coherent to others, you might as well not have them. If you can’t communicate what you think and believe, then why bother attempting to communicate at all?
Let me try and help lizzy:
Of course, I prefer this Senryū:
Slightly stilted, but immeasurably better than ‘lizzy’s’ efforts.
-wolfe
Woah.
u no wat i think about
i just think your some fat guy thats never got laid in his life
holly fuk i would love to meet u and just see whos better
or beat the crap out of u
u have no right to say this to any one
we dont need men like u in this world
theres all ready to manny
If I may slightly rephrase:-
Men see babies (children) as responsibilities.
Women see babies (children) as accessories.
My thoughts are that you are completely right, XY.
-Dick
Fabriqué vis-à -vis de l’âne.
Men see babies (children) as responsibilities.
Women see babies (children) as possessions.
Thoughts?
No one who makes it a point they don’t believe in God, flaunts their disbelief, actually doesn’t. It’s merely a form of rebellion and simultaneously of challenging God, whose loving reply they would treasure so dearly – as would mostly anyone – , for affection, a caring sign of acknowledgment and love of the respective person as His child as well.
Alas, everyone has to wait until such a time as only The Father knows and decideth for such.
Or perhaps they’re plain evil whereby they fully understand and accept the existence of God but publicly denounce Him, deny His existence or try to make Him out as evil if not inexistent for their own insidious ends and evil agenda.
The question of gay marriage!
I find it somehow ironic that those who down the bible and have no belief in a God push this agenda. It was God who create the marriage idea to be between a man and a woman.
Gays, Feminist and Athiest want to change what God created in a attempt to normalize the lifestyle or is it a poke at a God they don’t want to believe in?
Since God created marraige I won’t agree with gay marraige until God changes his mind. And that is highly unlikely.
And that’s utterly irrelevant to my argument which was that you can normalize for such factors in any longtitudinal study.
It’s also media spin garbage ripped from some socialist gay website. All it says to me is that probably there are about 1050-1090 laws in there that need repealing, and some others that may — or may not — need adjusting.
I’ll probably blog on this, since I’m somewhat at odds with the views of many on this website — both male and female.
As for gay marriage, I don’t want government to decide to call it that; that’s churches and society’s choice (I think some churches will say yes, some will say no; society as a whole will say yes to it within a generation).
My only slightly sarcastic line on that is that if gays want to be punished as badly as heterosexual men by ‘marriage’, then let the good times ‘role’. [yes I spell it that way for a reason. It's called a pun, for any who are slow-witted].
-wolfe
Fem just go ahead get you dykish lover and get the fuk off this site! And while you at it go find some studies for yourself.
Just stay away from any that are feminist. Because feminst lie everytime you open your mouths.
Now don’t come back, ya hear!
Why do so many women think we really care about their stupid opinions?
There is just no way of shutting them up is there. Full of crap and consistantly so. Loves seeing it’s ranting in print is my only observation.
We have the dynamic duo, between female (sic) and Melinda (even siccer). We could just leave them to fill these pages and go fishing, come back in three months and they still would not get it.
Women really are pathetic human beings.
Actually I don’t read posts that have a wall of text either.
Paragraphs are your friend, you know in third grade where you were taught to start a new one every few sentences to group like phrases together. Grrrrl Power!
The majority of those with a tooth against this site and its content usually employ some ploy along the lines of small dick/gay/bereft servicing by pussy/little kids writing from the basement or use the sock puppeting angles to endow putative strength and veridicity to their counterarguments.
And are probably women, or female, or Female. Or all three.
Really? Can you provide some references on all these studies then?
The article I linked to seems to refute all your points, bar poverty – which it may somewhat support. Though, I don’t think you would find many male homosexual households suffering from that.
The analysis notes that studies have found that children born to and raised by lesbian couples display the same development, social competence, self-esteem and behavioral difficulties as children raised by heterosexual couples. In addition, preadolescent children of lesbian mothers have not experienced gender-identity confusion.
And one for wolfe:
Children of same-gender couples do not have access to many of the rights, benefits and protections that children of heterosexual couples do, including more than 1,100 federal statutory provisions.
My point was that many of those non-specified benefits would be financial in nature. Thus, children in gay households may be socio-economically disadvantaged compared to heterosexual households, and thus future outcomes may correlate with economic factors rather than the sexual orientation of the parents.
http://aapnews.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/e2006217v1
The majority of people who go for the ‘wall of text’ on this site seem to be women. I’ve no idea if that’s true elsewhere on the net.
-wolfe
*giggles* ok :-) I know when I’m cooked! Wow, do others make this mistake when they first hit the blogs, or is it a womanly thing whereby we forget to come up for air time?
If you women would occasionally pause for breath mid-rant, it wouldn’t happen so often.
The Enter key is your friend. Use it.
Well, thankyou for that, I realised after I had posted it that it did look like as you say, a wall of text , but seriously, I don’t do this normally. I’m not used to blogs and or typing in small boxes, normally have the whole screen to see my work laid out!! I’ll get there, and thanks,it all helps:-)
Wall of text? No thanks!
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If you want a fashion accessory, go buy a fag-bag or a fluffy small animal. This is a human life thats at stake here, not something to fill your biological void with!!
You were never meant to produce, THATS A FACT, and until the human species develops the capacity to do so unaffiliated with the same sex, then you should refrain!!
Hi guys, I’m back with another question….
If you read my post clearly, you would see that I said a single mother should not get IVF treatment.
She is intentionally sabotaging her child’s welfare
OBVIOUSLY in cases when the father leaves, gets killed or such there is no other choice.
Why do you feminists bring up silly scenarios to move the argument away from what I am saying.
Stick to the point here, IVF treatment
No, I was actually referring to someone else’s commentary which more or less implied woman shouldn’t be allowed nor are capable of raising children alone without a father present. Actually, the title of the threads article was indeed “Woman hate children” not “should gay people be allowed to procreate.” who’s off-topic? Someone asked the question, “What are all these femmos doing here?”, (I’m not a feminist ) ….. well when you make such barbaric statements as these, what did you expect? You expected woman to respond abusively did you not? Which in turn would hopefully validate your perceived point, and demonstrate them for the nasty abusive child loathing things they are. If this is how the majority of woman are and behave then why the need to set a trap? …. Now obviously where necessity dictates some situations are unavoidable, though just wanted to point out that both men and woman alike are capable of doing a fine job with raising their kids alone, and that in the majority of cases their circumstances shouldn’t be held against them and used to denigrate their role particularly when they need all the encouragement they can get. I have a friend who is currently living with her ex, (been separated for many years though ) and wont ask him to leave because she feels this enormous pressure to keep the family together, and guilt at the prospect of her depriving her children of a dad, and him of his children. Now, she has made a pact with herself to keep this arrangement in place until her youngest is at least 16 years old, however there are many many, many out there who think she is unnecessarily depriving herself and is doing the wrong thing allowing him to stay. I guess what I’m saying is, not too many people deliberately set out to achieve family dysfunction, it’s a sad thing for either sex when this occurs, and is not something one normally sets out to achieve on purpose, except in situations whereby singles and gays deliberately set out to go against the grain and achieve familial dysfunction of course. Raising kids in a household with two same sexed parents is dysfunctional, FULL STOP. It’s neither functional nor desirable and has been statistically documented my numerous family organizations world wide that these family’s are far more likely to endure poverty, neglect and abuse compared to those raised in a more traditional, and more socially in-tune hetero- household. Now whilst single parents don’t normally set out to achieve familial break-down and dysfunction, well in most cases anyway, these either selfish or ignorant same sex wanna-be family’s differ in that they deliberately set out to achieve what is by most peoples standards considered to be an undesirable and socially unacceptable basis in which to raise a family. In other words one cant compare the dysfunction nor feasibility of a single parent household to those who are homosexual and whom willingly set out to create their dysfunctional environment , knowing full well their children are more likely to suffer as a result of their premeditated and deliberate actions. Single parenting is far from a desirable arrangement, who would argue this? Not even they would as most wish they weren’t in their often difficult predicament, wish things had have been different, femo-Nazis aside of course!!! However gay parents who deliberately set out to procreate don’t see their predicament to be in anyway dysfunctional or undesirable, rather are of this impression that they are capable of giving their offspring everything a normal heterosexual family has to offer, don’t believe they need to conform to socially accepted norms and or conform to societal expectation. Rather believe they are special, illuminated even, and simply don’t have to conform, even at the sufferance of their children who they know will be forced to endure the ridicule and shame they themselves did . Now, you might say, well, hetero kids can come from dysfunctional family’s, they get bullied, they have issues too, but your missing the part where A: In most cases, heterosexuals go into it with the best intentions, are doing what they are biologically programmed to do and what is socially acceptable in accordance with our society B: People abuse their kids every day , and fuck up and make bad decisions, does this mean you can too?
Children aren’t toys!!!
Deliberately setting out to create an undesirable/dysfunctional family setting is in my book a form of neglect, in that you are in violation of your most primary role as a parent, of which is to do your very best to ensure they receive the best possible start in life, not create hurdles for them before they have even learned how to walk.
Sure, shit happens, but you don’t set out to make it happen just cos someone else does?
But what I meant was that economic factors affect families and laws/public policy affect financial matters that then impact on families. For instance, family payments/child support/any form that asks you if and how many dependents you have, etc.
This is a profoundly silly argument. You control for those things, and you examine statistical correlations in large datasets.
It’s almost as bad as saying you couldn’t correlate GRID to homosexuality back in the early ’80’s because sodomy was illegal in parts of the country, and there wasn’t a standardisation of public policy between (say) promiscuous homosexual practice and (say) monogamous heterosexual practice.
-wolfe
No, I havent seen any stats. Whether they exist or not, I dont know. Do you? According to this link, it is estimated there are between 1 – 10 mil children living in same sex families in the US, so it is possible that studies are being done on future outcomes.
http://aapnews.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/e2006217v1
These studies would be good to see but of course even if the children are perceived as growing to adulthood and having a less favourable outcome than children in same sex couples, you would have to consider how public policy influences the financial picture of in each and what kind of neg or pos. effect different laws for each have. I dont believe you could do an adequate study on how sexual orientation in family affects children and their later outcomes until laws and public policy are first standardised towards all families because economics have a huge influence, like it or not.
ROFL
Got a reference for your 6x greater chance of being molested by a homosexual theory?
And as far as the recessive trait thing goes, it would eventually be pulled out of society for the same reason.
Just as Geneticists are predicting the blonde hair gene will disappear in a short few generations, it is ALSO recessive. And unlike the homosexual gene has no bearing on survival and does not realy hinder it’s own passage.
Genetically speaking there are no biological advantages to having multiple homosexual genes linked in some strange fashion.
There are many genes that humans have lost along the way. One of them is a tail. Most primates have a large tail, the information for that is lost in humans, we no longer have tails. Tails were a deteriment if you don’t live in trees since if you ever played football with a baggy shirt you would know your predators could easily cathc you from behind on the ground.
If there is a homosexuality gene, please submit the sequence to GENBANK at http://www.pubmed.com
Then I will be happy to discuss it with you. I myself have submitted several genes to GenBANK and the RCSB protein database and am very familiar with the process.
Also homosexuals are 6x more likely to be child molesters than heterosexuals.
Thus if I found out my children wanted to go to a sleepover to some boys’ house whose parents are gay, I would not let him go and I would explain biology and sexual deviants to him if I had not already done so.
Any god parent would be hesitant of letting their kids do something that VASTLY increase their chances of being raped, molested or killed. Obviously you can’t shelter your children from everything, but why make them go through unnecessary risks.
I mean I wouldn’t arm my child and send them to IRAQ, so why would I put them into a situation where their chance of being molested is MUCH higher than at a heterosexual household.
Sure it can happen there too, but 6 times less likely.
If you read my post clearly, you would see that I said a single mother should not get IVF treatment.
She is intentionally sabotaging her child’s welfare
OBVIOUSLY in cases when the father leaves, gets killed or such there is no other choice.
Why do you feminists bring up silly scenarios to move the argument away from what I am saying.
Stick to the point here, IVF treatment
Holy fuck did this turn into girl talk or something?
come on dick your losing man pooints for letting these feminists speak too much on your site, I thought this was mabtw.com and not bitchtalk.com.
yours truelly
Intolerant Redneck.
I agree.
MelC. I’m not sure if you’ve quietened down because you’ve hit your daily suggested quota or whether I was overly assertive towards you.
You sound like an alright person and I’m not trying to judge or flame you (though I’d like it if you didn’t use so many emoticons).
The way I see it is like this. Yes, children of gay parents will be more likely to be judged/teased/ostracized, however, as long as the child’s parents give more than enough support and love and teach the child that there is nothing wrong with their own family, but there is something wrong with the family of the child who is doing the bullying, then the bullied child may be able to overcome the bullying and perhaps teach the bullies a thing or two. And when I say something is wrong with the bully’s family, of course, I don’t mean the structure of the family. I mean the people who compose it.
Difference exists, it always has and always will and people who cannot accept it are simply scared of it. I don’t believe that attempting to sanction or remove it would actually work. The only thing that could possibly be changed is people’s attitudes towards difference, which can only be achieved through confrontation. Doesn’t have to be bad confrontation…exposure might be a better word.
Horror. That’s a difference that simply isn’t right. Or perhaps DM believes I am wrong in this opinion as well.
Well as per my observation, kids with average heterosexual parents can grow up to be bullied and rejected by society. Such children can be the most ill-adjusted, screwed up and mentally dwarfed children without the ’stigma’ of homosexuality.
In my view it depends on the style of parenting not necessarily on the sexuality of the parents or social stigma.
Female is wrong again. What a surprise. She’s so wrong another woman can spot it!
-Dick
I’m not sure what you are asking me. My comments were with respect to gay couples having children. You said you didn’t agree. I disagreed based on personal observation that children of gay couples can be raised perfectly well. Yes, they may be judged by other people but then tell me who is able to get away without being judged by anyone? I probably get judged 50 times a day simply based on the knee high boots I like to wear to work. Big deal.
Yes, children of gay parents may come up against more barriers to social inclusion, but although that may become a problem for them, it is ultimately a problem for the person who judges them. It will at least do their gay parents a big favour by informing them relatively quickly which other children in the playground have prejudiced, narrow minded parents.
I thing the old bags a selfish disgrace, and that our absolutely right. She’ll be lucky to whiteness it’s 21 birthday, is she grappling onto her begotten youth or what?
No excuses!!!
Having a baby at this age is medically unsafe and stupid, never would I support this gross demonstration of utter selfishness from either gender~
And female, in this day and age, kids need a lot more than love to get them through!!!!!! Your friends kids aren’t out of the woods yet, have you seen any stats re- how well these kids fair btw?
Here, have a look. Closer.
The corpse walking with the kid.
Bottom line? Women are selfish. That old hag spawned at 66. Unnaturally of course. Lives alone, evidently.
Having IVF with one foot in the grave, how’s that for ensuring misery and ostracisation for a child(a girl)? Wait, it gets better. Women are very hysterically supportive of the old witch. Just stop one the street and ask.
That’s gonna be one warped little kid. Oh, wait. It’s a girl. I take that back, she’ll be perfectly normal, well developed both physically and mentally.
God save us and deliver us from the sanity of women.
Female, what you doing here? Strayed while foraging for bamboo again?
What about the ones who die, or go to prison etc? It’s 50/50, marriages break down, it’s a fact of life, (sumfin in the wedding cake I reckon) for whatever reason. Some things are beyond either the mothers or fathers control, some men and woman just aren’t cut out to be parents, doesn’t mean it’s their fault, just means they either cant or don’t wish to assume their role.
In this case, what do you suggest?
Each to their own, yes. I think kids just need love. Buckets of it.
If by “willingly” you mean “nagged to death” then that’s partially true.
-Dick
I’m just being realistic Female, life’s tough enough being a kid these days without having further complicated things. I have gay friends too, however they choose not to inflict progeny with their believed affliction, and reckon it was hard enough for them coming out and contending with let alone forcing a child to endure it.
Each to their own, and this applies to single men and woman who wish to selfishly defy the laws of procreation also. Kids need both parents, a mother and a father. Adam and Steve, I think not!!
With reference to woman shouldn’t be allowed to raise children alone….so when the father or mother runs off should this child be made a ward of the state?
Some men willingly leave their family’s, not all, or even most, as do some woman,in which case what do you suggest we do with their offspring?
When a child has already lost one parent, should they be forced to loose another?
Most men and woman I know love their children dearly~
MelC. Hi. I actually know gay couples with children. Their children are friendly, social and very well adjusted. What you imagine is not necessarily how things occur in reality. And they don’t live in Gaytopia, which is just down the road from me. They live near you.
Raising well-rounded kids is hard enough in this day and age without having added insult to injury by deliberately inflicting offspring with the social-stigma of their having been raised in an unconventional homosexual family setting.
This isn’t to say that these people would be atrocious parents, not at all, it’s just that society at large dictates how well received specific groups are and a sense of belonging is important for a child’s social and emotional well being.
Is it sensible to raise a child under these circumstance, in a society which still smacks with homophobic under-tones? Is it fair to knowingly inflict a child with this sort of stigma prior to their having even been born, in light of how most heterosexuals feel about homosexual procreation on the whole today? And would you allow your healthy 12 year old boy attend a sleep-over at a homosexual household whereby you knew both parents were gay?
If you knew them well, very well you MIGHT,(personally I wouldn’t be comfortable with it) but would you not inadvertently discriminate against this family and prefer your child slept at a normal nuclear heterosexual household ?And would you go so far as to discourage a friendship so as to avoid your having been confronted with such an awkward dilemma in the first place?
‘My dad says I cant play with you anymore Jimmy because your parents are fagots,sorry’
‘Hey Jimmy, do your dads f-ck you like they do each other ha,ha,ha,’
‘Hey jimmy, which mum will you be bringing to show and tell’
‘Sorry, I’m not allowed to stay over at your house Jimmy,my dad says your dads are queer ass’
Is this fair? Fair on the child?
There are plenty of intolerant red-necks about, and sooner or later your child will be confronted with this in manner no child should ever have to bare at such a delicate age. There are just some things kids can do without I’m afraid, after all, we have kids for what purpose? for what they can give to us, or for what we can give to them? This isn’t giving,this is taking, is utterly selfish@@
Not having the coolest sneakers , the best games or both parents living together is one thing, but having gay parents is an entirely different story,one your child should never have to read before going to school when the worst they should ever have to contend with is being ridiculed for wearing a new pair of braces or glasses,or both:-)
This is one of the many obstacles a child raised in a homosexual household is likely to face, and unless your intention is to raise this child in gaytopia, some sort of gay-friendly commune whereby there is an abundance of tolerant people around you always, then what other than distress and social alienation can you ever hope to achieve for your self-inflicted minority child in an already cynical, often prejudice and opinionated predominantly heterosexual society?
You’re the Lord of the fly. Damned straight.
Am I a bad person because deep down inside I think Lukaz is correct?
Lukasz, one question please. What if it’s a recessive gene or, more likely, group thereof? If it is, for argument’s sake, genetically caused then a single gene can’t possibly be the lone culprit as it would result in a much higher rate of gayness, for lack of a better word for both lesbianism and homosexuality, in the human population.
I venture say, IF, it is genetically caused, there need to be more than one recessive genes paired with another recessive gene to yield gayness.
I think a study on the sexual dimorphism of gayness, more precisely whether one or another of the genders is more likely to be sexually attracted to people of the same sex.
Please don’t flame me if I’m wrong. I’m only speculating educated guesses off of my meagre education in the field.
I agree, I don’t think homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt and raise children. They forfeited their biological right to procreate and raise children by choosing the path that they did.
I am not condemning their choices, they are free to do whatever it is they please, I just want them to stop trying to FORCE their beliefs on myself and all the others that are non-biologicaly deviant.
There is no homosexuality gene, it doesn’t exist. If it did, natural selection would have made it die out long ago since these people couldn’t reproduce to pass that gene on, this is nonsense.
Then there is the argument about those people hiding it from society and it passing on. Let me tell you this, thousands of years ago there was NO society. Hence the gene would have died off then, back then people did as they pleased.
Lesbians homosexuals and feminists keep trying to push their nazi marxist beliefs onto us.
Nowhere in school is it taught about homosexuals and heterosexuals at an early age. Why does the gay mafia try to impose our governments and schools to teach “tolerance” to us?
We don’t round up all the gay people and try to teach them tolerance, they don’t care about the foundations of our churches and beliefs.
We don’t have hetero pride rallies.
The big problem with feminists and the GLBT movement is that they flaunt themselves out as deviants in front of everyone and then demand equality.
Look people I don’t flaunt my heterosexuality in front of you. You want to be treated equally then act respectably towards others. And treat others with respect.
I lose about 10 notches of respect towards someone that flaunts their “sexual orientation” towars me.
Likewise I don’t think single mothers should also be allowed to have IVF.
Sperm donations and IVF should be prioritized towards those couples that want to have a loving family and just can’t anymore because of a problem with one of the two, they are trying, it is physically possible but they can’t get the wife pregnant.
With lesbian couples, if both were perfectly healthy they phsycially CAN’T have a baby without outside help, same for homosexual couples.
Thus they should not.
It would be like me requesting leg extensions so that I could play basketball in the NBA.
Brilliant. You should go fuck yourself as first prize for politely exhibiting proof of your intelligence and proper upbringing.
Your mother is a perfect example on the truth of this article looking at how you turned out.
@Sony: Great response. Sorry I triggered that much (and we’re misdirecting the thread if we talk about it too much).
I agree with most, though not all (surprise!) of what you say. I don’t agree with your analysis of surrogate motherhood; I do profoundly respect it, but I don’t think we can persuade each other otherwise.
You think law by negation is a significant part of the answer. (“both immoral and medically unethical, in my view, and should necessarily be outlawed as well”). I don’t, in that particular narrow context.
BTW, I did not mean to imply you followed the Catholic Church or the Pope — I was intending to simply note their views. The “you” in that case was meant for all readers of the post.
@spcwby
“a kind of owner’s manual for women”
Mankind has needed that for about a million years.
-wolfe
Sheesh….honesty from a women doc (Neuro-psychiatrist) about how fucked up women can really mutate towards. I doubt that she will be invited, anytime the rest of her life, to be on Oprah so speak about chemically (ie hormone) unbalanced women can be.
Then again, Men have known this aspect since the begining of time……
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13989048/site/newsweek/
Women and hormones has long been a marital minefield and the subject of innumerable off-color jokes, but Brizendine has made it her medical specialty. For 20 years, first as a medical student at Yale, then as a faculty member at Harvard Medical School, then as director of the Women’s Mood and Hormone Clinic at UCSF, she’s been developing what she describes as a female-centered strain of psychiatry focusing on the complex interplay between women’s mental health, hard-wiring and brain chemistry. Now her first book, “The Female Brain,” which she describes as a kind of owner’s manual for women, is due in bookstores next month. Brizendine realizes she’s going to take some heat. “I know it’s not politically correct to say this,” she says, “and I’ve been torn for years between my politics and what science is telling us. But I believe that women actually perceive the world differently than men. If women attend to those differences, they can make better decisions about how to manage their lives.”
To write the book, Brizendine melded her rich clinical experience with thousands of research studies other neuroscientists have conducted over the past 10 years. Her conclusions will seem like common sense to some and nothing short of heresy to others: she not only discusses the biological reasons girls gravitate to dolls instead of trucks but tracks the hormonal imperatives at play when a teenage female becomes obsessed with text messaging and shopping. She describes the neurological reasons why women think about sex less than men but, in their drive to produce genetically superior babies, may be having more extramarital affairs than their frustrated husbands might imagine. She also explains how changing brain chemistry can prompt a postmenopausal woman to forgo marriage counseling and dial up a divorce lawyer instead………………………………
Woa. For the record, I also consider slave, as in sex or other, trafficking disgusting. Unfortunately, informed (or partly) consent of affected party sometimes plays part somewhere along the line before any change of heart occurs.
As such either deal with the consequences or call on police intervention to end sequestration / deprivation of liberty accepting the cost of exchanging the pimp’s flat for jail internment if that should be the case with local legislation. Either that or claim kidnapping as well.
Needless to say police need to continuously wage war on those who push prostitution and any form of slavery upon persons bereft of their consent. The law needs to be particularly harsh with such people. I am for liberalisation of prostitution as contractual ‘labour’ provided all necessary medical prevention and security provisions at place of ‘work’ exist as stipulated by contract and mandated by law. That said, I hardly view fucking for money all day long as “earning thy bread by the sweat of thy brow” or particularly morally redeeming.
I do prefer reading and interpreting the Bible myself or in competent discussion involving a cousin of mine who is also a pastor with the 7th Day Adventist Church.
I do not draw my set of morals from the Bible exactly. They happen to coincide, for the most part. Suffices to say I’ve yet to encounter a moral predicament that my views on don’t correspond with the code of moral conduct espoused within the NT by way of being harsher than.
There are also moral predicaments the Bible doesn’t specifically advise upon but that can be adequately dealt with by way of competently extrapolating the fundamental guiding principles of Christianity for such situations. One should primarily do this by one’s self, not look to the pope’s gums for wisdom.
On to surrogate motherhood. This is one of the things I, at least, can only really be sure of my moral stance/outrage on only if/when it will actually happens to me. Sort of.
One thing I am totally against is same sex couples, in any shape, gender or form. Not their love per se, don’t get me wrong. Any legal and/or religious acceptance or acknowledgement of such a union, whatsoever, though. And neither of the legal/moral trappings that would go with religious acceptance or acknowledgement.
Implied and obvious I also frown upon same sex both adopting and resorting to either in vitro fertilisation or surrogate mother.
A mother that bears a child should have the right to keep the child if she so desires and has not foregone her respective responsabilites afferent with motherhood.
Any and all formal agreements to the end of hiring a surrogate mother are both immoral and medically unethical, in my view, and should necessarily be outlawed as well.
I see nothing indignant if all parties involved should choose to formally agree on adoption subsequent birth but the law must not condone nor tacitly accept or recognize as lawful business or contractual agreements the dealings in human beings. In no shape or form. As such the law must punish both the mother (not draconically, mind you) that chooses to mother for hire informally for committing willingful child abandonment with mitigating circumstances as well as the adopters as child kidnappers with mitigating circumstances.
Punishments should be appropriate, not exceedingly harsh, it’s not like these people are organ harvesting from children with the mother’s consent or such.
The serving as surrogate mother must be legally formalised, consensual and free of any and all afferent fees or charges stipulated within the contract/legal agreement.
I see nothing to be morally outraged about on serving as egg donor, whether in exchange for monetary/other form of remuneration or not or legally formalising such. And neither do the Bible or its fundamental principles, to the best of my knowledge.
[quote]Did they manage to successfully sell any?[/quote]
@ Dick Well, since the police forces were run by men, probably not. But yeah, sick isn’t it.
@abaddon Incredibly sad, but see below.
@sony I mostly agree. I have one area of possible difference. What do you think about surrogate motherhood, provided that the egg doesn’t come from the woman bearing the child? (If you’re the Catholic Church, you’re horrified). My view is that it’s a fair exchange, and that it’s not ‘child trafficking’ but paying a woman for one of the very few things she has an absolute advantage over men in.
If it gives a couple that could otherwise not be able to reproduce — even a gay couple — I don’t see that as an altogether bad thing.
-wolfe
I find child trafficking a repugnant trade. At least the kids are probably better off away from parents that have them for cash. Unless, of course, it’s organ harvesting they’re bought for. Not unheard of.
Disgusting.
What it is is sad actually. The only responsiblity that you are required to have and women try to sell it.
-Strength and Honor-
That’s too much, wolfe — as in, that’s hilarious. Did they manage to successfully sell any?
-Dick
And as for the proof that women hate babies, please google ‘Postpartum depression’
As almost always, superbly said Dick. However, you seem to forget Law 1. (For new readers: 1. No matter how low you set the floor of expectations for a woman, she will inevitably fall below it.).
Babies for sale on Chinese E-bay:
Of course:
No surprise there. Well actually that’s not true. I am surprised.
Why weren’t they paying people 13k yuan to take the female babies off their hands?
-wolfe