I still can’t make my mind up on this excact subject. I think women KNOW that these ‘friends’ want to fuck them, but for some reason their mind denies it. It’s so fucking obvious, yet they either don’t want to realize it, or they are playing games.

Hell, i’d fuck Alex. Even though I’m sitting here, typing this thing out honestly and completely rational, there’s still this voice inside my head saying “If she starts to get this, she’s qualified for sex”. “Where does she live?”, and “She’s probably ugly as fuck, but then again, if she is’nt: I’m going to fuck her”.

That is how the male mind works. Is it bad? Nope, i don’t think so. But it’s pretty lucky that we can control this thing. The problem is, that maybe - just maybe - one of these ‘male friends’ suddently turns in to Darth Vader.

I’m always a bit concerned that these ‘male friends’ cave in to the pressure, starts breathing heavily in a black latex-suit, and uses ‘the force’.

Alex said:

but people’s thoughts and emotions tend to show in their behavior.

Men are eternal optimists. It’s a character flaw of the gender.

Here’s an example from my own life:

My ex and the girlfriend I had after her fucked me over royally. They solidified my opinions of women that had only been half-formed previously. I observed that while their behavior was extreme, it wasn’t much different from how every other woman I’ve ever known — including my mother — have behaved at one time or another.

I expect my next current girlfriend to be the same. Given a lifetime of experience, I’d be foolish not to.

However, I don’t dare let this expectation creep into my relationship with her because it would interfere with that relationship and probably become a self-fulfilling prophecy. So I treat her with kindness and respect and assume that she’ll treat me the same.

I do fully expect her to become nutty at some point. But I always hope that I’m wrong and behave as though I will be.

It’s fairly rare that I see men condescend to women, express annoyance or anger with women, etc.

You can’t get sex from a woman who won’t give you the time of day. It’s as simple as that.

And male friends do speak fairly candidly to me about relationship problems, or they’ll make remarks about traits the notice in women, and never do they show any indication their opinions are this harsh.

Ok, here’s a bit of fatherly advice (I have two daughters, so I’m qualified):

Your “male friends” want sex from you.

I know, I know, they’re just friends, you don’t think of them that way, etc. It doesn’t matter.

They want sex from you. Hell, part of the reason they’re discussing their woman problems with you is to show you how sensitive they are in the hopes that it will influence you some day.

I know, I know, they’re just friends, you don’t think of them that way, etc. It doesn’t matter. Your “male friends” want sex from you. Cash that reality check now.

Alex said:

I’m a woman. You’re right that men probably wouldn’t speak this harshly of women in front of women, but people’s thoughts and emotions tend to show in their behavior. It’s fairly rare that I see men condescend to women, express annoyance or anger with women, etc. And male friends do speak fairly candidly to me about relationship problems, or they’ll make remarks about traits the notice in women, and never do they show any indication their opinions are this harsh. In fact, men my age seem to genuinely respect women and enjoy their company (and, no, this is not only true when the man is sexually interested in a woman). Maybe this is a generational difference.

Also, I’m sure that men are sometimes frustrated with women and wonder what the hell their girlfriend is thinking. But it’s the same for women as well; there have been plenty of times where I’ve seen men do things that flat-out do not make sense to any objective, rational observer, or where I’ve been frustrated with a boyfriend. It just seems to be the nature of romantic relationships, and can’t be blamed solely on women.

I’m 21. I talk harshly about women with my dad, with my brother, with my friends, with my coworkers. Pretty much anyone. Hell, even my ex. She’s pretty clever. This has nothing to do with generations, it has something to do with hiding what you truly think and believe.

I truly believe I’m great. If you ask me directly, I’d say that I’m a fucking superhuman. That I can do anything I’m the best and strongest, and the most intelligent person out there. I can beat anyone at anything.

So what do you think about that?

My bad, here, Alex: I hadn’t realized until I read the other thread that you were a woman. Consequently, my response should have been:

The men you know aren’t telling you how they really feel about women because they know you’ll stop having anything to do with them if they did.

Men aren’t stupid: at your age in particular, they’re pretty tightly focused on sex, and they can’t get sex from women who won’t give them the time of day.

Trust me, the men at your college think that women as a group are nutty as a Almond Joy bars, and among themselves they commiserate. In public where it matters, they keep their mouths shut.

I’m a woman. You’re right that men probably wouldn’t speak this harshly of women in front of women, but people’s thoughts and emotions tend to show in their behavior. It’s fairly rare that I see men condescend to women, express annoyance or anger with women, etc. And male friends do speak fairly candidly to me about relationship problems, or they’ll make remarks about traits the notice in women, and never do they show any indication their opinions are this harsh. In fact, men my age seem to genuinely respect women and enjoy their company (and, no, this is not only true when the man is sexually interested in a woman). Maybe this is a generational difference.

Also, I’m sure that men are sometimes frustrated with women and wonder what the hell their girlfriend is thinking. But it’s the same for women as well; there have been plenty of times where I’ve seen men do things that flat-out do not make sense to any objective, rational observer, or where I’ve been frustrated with a boyfriend. It just seems to be the nature of romantic relationships, and can’t be blamed solely on women.

Alex, I’m 42. Most men my age don’t speak this harshly of women, that’s true. At least not when they’re cognizant that a woman might hear about their opinion. Let’s face it: having these opinions publicly could well be a job- or even a career-killer. You certainly couldn’t get elected to public office.

However, every man I’ve spoken to (particularly married men) are as harsh if not harsher.

I mean, really, Alex, haven’t your girlfriends occasionally left you apoplectic with frustration, particularly as you neared the end of the relationship? Haven’t there been moments when you’ve said to yourself, “What in the world is she thinking?” I can remember having those kinds of thoughts with every girlfriend I ever had at your age.

At your age, I tended to assume I was doing something wrong — I mean, after all, every woman in my culture told me that I was. But then I started talking with other men and realized that they were all having the same problems.

It’s like a bell curve: you expect there to be oddities on the edges of the bell curve, but the majority should fall in the center. The majority of women on a bell curve should logically be stable and well-adjusted, but according to every man I’ve ever talked to, they’re not. Female insanity is in the middle of the bell curve. It’s normal.

In short, it can’t just be an individual’s failings if everyone experiences the same type of thing.

I’m 19, which is old enough that the men at my college have probably had a few relationships, and certaintly have dealt with female family members, friends, classmates, coworkers, etc. Very few seem to have the opinion of women the men on this site do. And even if one considers 19 still too young, even most grown men aren’t nearly this harsh in their view of women.

BJ said:

Just because you have problems with women, doesn’t mean all men do.

The only reason that all men don’t have problems with women is because one needs to be old enough to have relationships with them. Once a man reaches that age, the insanity that is women becomes crystal clear.

I’m reminded of an exchange from an old Andy Griffith Show episode (which should tell you just how universal and timeless female insanity is). Opie was getting older and had some sort of 1950s schoolboy crush on a girl, and as usual, the girl screwed it all up. Later, Opie had this exchange with Andy:

Opie: You know what I’ve learned about women, Pa?

Andy: What?

Opie: Nothin’.

Andy: Join the club.

HAHA too cool for a roach to know. You are fucking hilarious.

Come on use your name you gutless wonder. I bet you won’t.

HAHAHAHA I knew it. You really do think you are the saviour of mankind.

BJ, come to my house and let’s see if you can hurt me. I’d use my real name on this site, but it’s too fucking Italian and cool for a roach like you to know or try to pronounce and fuck up.

It’s not about hiding, it’s about trying to change the world before we have to do the inevitable.

Tim la-woggawogga said:

You have no idea whats going on in Australia.The kind of person who thinks that a 30000 person march out of a country of 20 million can change anything. The kind of person who watches today tonight and considers it journalism.

Ummm… OK I wasn’t aware that making assumptions about people with absolutely no knowledge of what kind of person they are makes for a good argument. But going on your intelligent display, I guess it must be acceptable.

OK then, If you don’t mind, I’ll make some assumptions about you. Hmm you must be a sad, little, rascist, nerdy loser who’s never had a girlfriend, and think that you’re a rebel because you go against all the intelligent people in this country and think that the liberals are doing a good job of running Australia. But you think you are smart because you can regurgitate figures.

I’m not the one who is clueless with how the world works. It’s you. Hmmm… it strikes me as interesting that the only people that I’ve ever had any contact with that are so predjudiced against women are the sad little loser fucks on this website. I mean when you think about all the great thinkers in the world, why is it that none of them have noticed the same “facts” that the great (cough) dick masterton has “proven”. Why are you such a minority? Of course you could argue that no-one would publicly express these views, because of the consequences. So if you truly stand by your convictions, why don’t you do something about it rather than just bitch about it all the time? Or are you scared of the little girls?

Or maybe you are the only ones intelligent enough to notice “the truth” about women, and you are the saviours of humanity who will save the doomed majority of men who have not seen the sad truth about women, because they are able to have relationships with women and women are not repulsed by them.

No, it is much more manly to express them over the internet, so that your identities will be protected, and no-one will get hurt. Very manly of you. Or maybe you are a minority because the majority of people have enough balls to get over their childish delusional problems with the opposite sex. Yes that’s right most women have more balls than you.

Just because you have problems with women, doesn’t mean all men do.

Oh and BJ, even if the left labour goes away with time and the more moderate labour that was worth its salt in howards earlier years comes back, you still really don’t have much of an excuse for hating the liberals.

Well whats bad about being in iraq? i s’pose the australian government is responsible for the violence in iraq is it? seriously. In the scheme of things australia has suffered more and done less than what we’re doing in iraq. We ARE doing a good job, gaining respect and protecting democracy, which incidentally BJ is the only system of government that works. If labour got their hands in government then we’d dissapear up our own arses with PC bullcrap and Lesbola politics - Let alone the US’s. You have no idea whats going on in Australia.The kind of person who thinks that a 30000 person march out of a country of 20 million can change anything. The kind of person who watches today tonight and considers it journalism.

I’ll say it again Go.

Dick, i think somewhere along the lines of “this site is for downtrodden men who are tired of being stepped on by the “great red stain” (oh ho ho?) of womankind. Anyone pretending to be a man, or arguing for the case (what case) of woman should be looked down upon with pity and disgust.”

nah man i hate hippies, and how do u know i dont have a reason to hate the liberals? I doubt we’d be in the iraq war if not for john howard. I dont think australia is up americas arse, i think john howard is

bj your a low life fuckwit get a brain ya convict

see, you don’t have a logical reason to hate the liberals. i have a logical reason to hate the labour party - they sabotage themselves. They’re complaining about australia being sheriff in the pacific…So no peace keeping missons should have been sent to east timor while the fricking militias were murdering innocents. No peace keepers or police should have been sent to the solomons while men still thinking they were warlords were dealing drugs, raping women, shooting people and generally creating a climate of fear wherever they went.

And don’t go all “well we’ve disappeared up americas arse!” I highly doubt it. See it was australias decision to enter conflicts in the middle east and the pacific. The fact that we have an ally more powerful than any military force that the world has ever seen and that we are a nation founded upon conflicts, hardships and “holding the light” so to speak might have something to do with it. That bastard saddam was murdering people while our respective countries were talking about going in

OH heres an interesting fact. Ever wonder why the french weren’t in the original gulf war? hmmm…maybe its because they sold the iraqi’s their airforce and would be shooting down thier own planes? funny that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3738368.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6453861.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/correspondent/2785095.stm

how about this one to top it all off you anarchistic bastard. Wake up. Find somethingto back yourself up before you decide to oppose something you can’t understand. You’re jsut another kid opposing “the man”. You’re as sad as those 60 year old hippies still thinking they changed the world.
What the fuck did they do?/ FUCK-NOTHING

read it, take it in. Realise why we had to go in.

http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/pdf/iraq_mass_graves.pdf

BJ said:

Well I’m not old enough to vote yet, but I prefer labour to anything else. I HATE the liberal party.

That is why you don’t know nothing about women yet.
You will learn one day just how rotten and low down they are.

Well I’m not old enough to vote yet, but I prefer labour to anything else. I HATE the liberal party.