Tisk, Tisk Watcher. What ever should we do? I did say there is more but you probaly didnt see it. And why is it do you feel the need for name calling? I haven’t even insulted you. Do you have a wife that hounds you and slaps you across the head? By all means stand up for yourself in your personal life. Do you think your the only one out of the 2 of us that doesnt like women who have their way? No dear, I can’t stand it. But maybe your wife should slap you in the back of the head with a thesaurus because you only come up with cretin, retard, or harridan, which by the way I haven’t been viscious towards you at all. I do wish you the best of day and rest of the week but I think for now on I’ll reply to you with a simple yawn. I do admit I find some of what you say somewhat intriguing even though thats not the word I am looking for but thats what i can come with at the moment.

To Jack-The-Ripper:
The actual Jack the Ripper killed hookers not women in general. Go back and play your world of warcraft or whatever it is you do.

What about puerile, vexatious, inane termagant?

Any better?

I have always liked the word termagant…

Mrs. or Ms. or Whatever.

I am not being insulting I am merely being honest in a manner a woman never can.

Women are beyond belief! She sticks her hand in the fire and blames the fire for being hot!!!

Breathtaking.

Im not calling the fire hot when Im still in the kitchen.
Honest in a manner a woman never can, hmmm, yea ok most of todays and the past politics are male and what are all politics including women???

Look if you are going to post, think about what you want to say, construct clear coherent sentences in your mind and then type. Read and correct what you have written, then send.

Mashing the keyboard whilst gibbering nonsense is just not a very effective way of communicating.

Remember, calm, clear and concise!

you know I made sense but since that is the only comeback you can come up with I guess I can give you a little credit..I guess
I do admire your struggle to make a point

Okay Mrs. I’ll play nice.

Did you mean that politicians, who are in the main male, incapable of being honest?

‘are incapable’

Apparently I’m not infallible. LOL

I think we can all agree that yes politicians are dishonest, and I did include women in there as well.

Im just saying I wont insult you. Now if I do or if someone else does then by all means go for it.

Most politicians are actors, they are skilled liars but are not deluded, they know the truth.

Think of them as salesmen selling ”the future’, they try to anticipate what the majority of people want and sell them their dream packaged in a bow.

They call this contrived fiction ‘a manifesto’.

In many ways the movie industry and politics are very similar.

True. Good way to put it, even for a simple minded female like me haha. But unlike them I am more understanding.

politicians also have to keep their ‘fundraisers (donators) wishes’ in mind.

oh just out of curosity, are you located in the U.S.? you dont have to answer me.

haha Harry. I dont have the money nor the insanity to stalk someone. Raj posted yesterday.

I’m taking the piss mrs. *pokes out tongue*

?

taking the piss (Brit) = having fun with you.

pulling your leg etc, not sure what you might say in your part of the world

Oh ok, Im sorry just never heard that expression

Yes,its true.Mrs was stalking me yesterday,but I told her it wouldn’t work cos she has a husband and I have a girlfriend.

oh ha ha

You think men even have a public voice anymore? Like I said in another post, better this than other measures. It at least gets there attention, can’t keep them away.

There have been posts advocating violence on this site already. Which hopefully, seem to have stopped.

Here’s the problem with it. There are different types of feminists, those in the extreme and those who aren’t as you probably know. The extremists, the feminazi’s are a foregone conclusion, they aren’t interested in having their views challenged or changed, so let’s take them out of it. However there are centre-left feminists who are for the most part liberal and are willing to hear rational debate and having theri views challenged.

A bunch of insults, generalisations and chauvanism, will just drive them away, and burn bridges in debate.

It is why bigotry doesn’t work. Sure you and other guys around here can make yourselves feel better, and you get attention, but the only people who are listening to you are those who have already been put off by your positions and are looking at your views with disdain.

IMO even those women that ‘claim’ to be anti feminist are still gladly accepting todays imbalance, that makes them just as guilty. I hear what you’re saying about chauvenism etc and somewhat agree with you but I still maintain todays woman needs a wake up call. I don’t agree with a lot that’s said on here myself but needs must. Also to ignore what men have done for society over the generations befor us is ignorant and plays into feminists hands. That would be like ignoring the contribution blacks had (though forced) in building the USA. I’m white btw and half German, so have a very good understanding of what bigotry can do to a nation/society. This isn’t a serious forum for debate btw, those I’m sure will come in the future. This site is a clear sign that a serious problem exists. Hopefully those that matter will see.

It’s disheartening to read Dick Masterson’s articles though. Some have some kernels of truth in them, that I won’t argue, but it’s ruined by so much male aggrandisement and female put downs that, is any female or tolerant male really expected to read it and take anything positive away from it? I mean those guys who have been through break ups and are already bitter come to this site and read all that, it’s just validating and exacerbating prejudicial views that are just beggining to take hold. It’s why I think this site probably has a dangerous effect on alot of guys. Is it not a short step away from thinking a woman is less that a dog to pounding their faces in?

The truth is that we as men , need to be more diserning in who we enter relationships with, and how we bahave while in them. Never forgetting our own power. Holding onto your own money, and letting the woman use hers. Until , you’re finally both on the same page, and then marriage.

In short, women only don’t pick up the bill and think they can get away with it , because men do it for them. This has to stop.

So whenever I hear Dick or any other guy saying women are evil , incompetant or have any number of flaws and need to change them , I’m like NO, you don’t GET it. What do you mean THEM? The change starts with US.

It’s us.

I hear you and agree in part. Sometimes things have to get dirty befor anyone notices. As for feminists listening, myself and others don’t even want to reach them, they’re unreachable. The ones that need to hear are the ones that have the power to change. Remember Dicks articles are humour and very close to the bone, made funnier because of the truth in them. One thing you must have noticed, women can NOT take critisism. Ever. From regular every day females to feminazi’s. Manga, I wish you all the best and would advise you only to be very careful in regards to marriage or long term co-habitaion. If it fails, you will be the one to lose, not her. Got to shoot off.

PS the change DID start with us, from the 70’s and further back, all women have done is increasingly take advantage of the fact.

”In short, women only don’t pick up the bill and think they can get away with it , because men do it for them. This has to stop. ”

One of the reasons we advise against marriage.

The Manga, I assume you are a man so I will be civil.

This site is NOT for debating with feminists of any hue or persuasion (unless it’s a man). Seeking to ‘change women’s minds’ is futile. Those with a modicum of sense will already agree with what we have to say, even if they do find the tone a little offensive. The others, well it’s like trying to persuade a hysterical, petulant child to willingly take spoon full of bitter medicine – good luck!

This site is for MEN. It’s main purpose is to let them know, they are not alone. Those that secretly think that feminist hysteria over date rape, women in the armed forces or obscene divorce settlements are just wrong can see that OTHERS think that too.

There are precious few places that men can be men and not apologise for the fact. Men’s clubs have been torn down, saloons and bars are smoke free and ‘family/female friendly’, not not fight, fart, fornicate or swear.

Oddly enough the females still keep ‘their space’, strange that…

Girls can join the scouts but boys can’t join the guides.

Male only clubs/societies/bars – banned!

Women only gyms/libraries/swimming/fund raising – Promoted!

It makes no sense.

This is OUR space, for once women should learn that NO means NO!!

NO WOMEN!

The Manga do you get it?

Gladly leave the conversation to you Watcher, despite the differences in our opinions our core argument ramains the same. BBL

I believe Manga to be a man too mate.

This is OUR space, for once women should learn that NO means NO!!

“The Manga, I assume you are a man so I will be civil”

I am a man, but that sentence alone embodies what I find distasteful about the site. Is that attitude really necessary to further our cause? In my true opinon, no, of course it’s not. I mean so what if I was a woman? Being born different shouldnt change how people are spoken to, I know I will continue to judge people on their actiona and words, not what genitalia they have. I actually want to be taken seriously by people.

You miss my point. A liberal or tolerant man’s mentality isnt going to be massively different from a feminists necessarily. So no, this site doesnt cater for men, it caters for chauvanists and feeds bigiotry into undecided, impressionable and for lack of a better term , weak minds.

I agree that debate with feminists isnt the primary way to make changes. But it is worthwhile to have one’s views challenged and to hear where the “opposition” are coming from, so you don’t strawman them further and reply to their actual points and not imagine sinister motives and use it to feed the bigotry. No good comes of it.

Contrary to Dick’s preaching, no, not every guy is smart, and alot of guys aren’t. At least socially. Every time a man jumps through a woman’s gauntlet and effectively grovels to her for a in the hope of a pity fuck, and short term gratification, it does huge damage to the male gender as a whole. It all adds up.

The change won’t come from bigotry, It won’t even come from words, it will come from changing our behaviours and acting with solidarity in the face of women as a gender, Only then will women change. When they HAVE to, They won’t change out of choice because they have it too good, Generally.

NO WOMEN!

The Manga do you get it?

You are aware women have female only groups, female study groups etc?

How will men changing their behaviour change laws that favour women? Good luck in your approach. Any approach is better than none. We’ll continue with ours.

BTW we have debated with feminists on here, they are unreasonable. All you hear from them is me me me, we we we.

“How will men changing their behaviour change laws that favour women? ”

The only way to do that is by group lobbying and gender solidarity. Your approach (the approach of this site) is unlikely to become mainstream – ever so won’t work. I’m not trying to be an asshole , I’m just trying to tell you the truth as I see it.

Counter sexism won’t eradicate sexism. It just creates a cycle of progressiveky worse sexism back and forth.

“BTW we have debated with feminists on here, they are unreasonable. ”

Yeah but can you blame them? Dick’s articles would incense any feminist before any word is even spoken. Imho, justifiably as well.

Also let me make it clear.

I believe that men are IN GENERAL more rational, physically stronger and smarter than women.

I believe that men constitute the very best, and very worst of our species.

I believe men are slaves to logic and reason whilst women are slaves to emotion.

I believe that MOST women do not understand the term ‘personal responsibility’.

Women make poor leaders of men, as figureheads they are excellent.

Women are incapable of being honest, especially to themselves.

Men KNOW women are weak, that’s why we instinctively and willingly stand between them and harm.

I know how women want the world to be but it’s a fantasy, a fantasy – not real. It cannot be. We are bound by 4 million years of evolution and the form and function of our minds and bodies, passing equality laws is not going to change that!

If being smarter and stronger makes men BETTER than women, fine. Women should be happy, why? Because what do you think that men put all this strength and ingenuity into? That’s right, protecting and providing for the happiness of our WIVES and children. We as men feel protective of our mothers, our sisters and especially our daughters.

Sorry, got to cut it short, work matter.

(I apologise for posting not proof read)

”This is OUR space, for once women should learn that NO means NO!!”

Being against this is the stance a feminist would take btw.

“The Manga, I assume you are a man so I will be civil�

Unfortunately we get many females posing as males on this site. We’re always watchful for them, blame them being devious, not us.

“If being smarter and stronger makes men BETTER than women, fine”

Woah, hold on there. Men are almost always physically stronger yes, but the smarter thing is highly debatable, and is frankly unprovable, I would appreciate it if you didn’t use it as fact, as we just don’t know.

Women have gone through alot of oppression historically, as have ethnic minorites of both genders. None of them achieve as much in general as white males. So that argument is unprovable.

”I know how women want the world to be but it’s a fantasy, a fantasy – not real. It cannot be. We are bound by 4 million years of evolution and the form and function of our minds and bodies, passing equality laws is not going to change that!”

No amount of legislation can change this. What women hate most is OUR differences. Especially our physical strength. Gone again. Good luck to you Manga. I fear your mind can’t be changed, same with us.

Harry, I have this sneaking suspicion that ‘Manga’ may not be male.

“I actually want to be taken seriously by people.”

Hmm. Do you think a man would say that? Ever?

“A liberal or tolerant man’s mentality isnt going to be massively different from a feminists necessarily”

Hmm…

This Manga does not understand men at all.

Let’s have some fun. What do you think.

A. Female
B. Young
C. Transgender
D. All of the above

You pick first.

I’d just come to the same conclusion. Was just going to post the same. I eluded to it in a previous post. Just more proof, they can’t come here being honest in debate. No problem? Like fuck. Gone again.

Comment by Harry
2009-12-15 08:06:01 – IP Man-Hash: dae3bd61694f4
�This is OUR space, for once women should learn that NO means NO!!�

Being against this is the stance a feminist would take btw.

Harry, there’s no doubt about it our friend Manga is a bloody female! To think I wasted my ‘mantime’ on her sickens me!

Manga – Your English is better than the average trollop’s but don’t let the URL hit your butt on the way out!

I think she’s gone. Stupid trolless.

Got to love them. They try anything underhanded. e’re meant to respect that? Ok, need to pop out again, use some of my off time on me. Be lucky Watcher.

Thanks bud.

Dude, I’m a GUY. There’s nothing else to say there. I’m just not a chauvanist.

The whole fact that you thin “a guy wouldn’t say that” just goes to show how ridiculously off base and narrow minded your views are. Well where does it get you?

One of, if not the best friend I have is a lesbian. Does that shock you? That’s why I find bigotry a shame, because there are some good people out there, straight , gay , man or woman, and it doesn’t help anyone.

So no, a woman I am not. I am however Brittish, and we in Britian for the most part, pride ourselves on tolerance.

So you going to Ad Hominem me further? Well it’s a dangerous line of thought imho to think that a gender is superior to the other, because to me, in being half black, I know that thinking women are inferior is not that far away from thinking black people are inferior. It’s the same hate and disdain, but simply redirected on another demographic. As I’ve said before, if I’m to honour my ancestors who fought for emancipation, than I can’t be a bigot. Period.

Emancipation can easily be used in describing what blacks had to go through. Women on the other hand were far from the same position as blacks. From the little I know of the USA still aren’t in many cases. Just thinking of the pictures of the floods on the news was proof of that. The low lying areas that wre hit being the poor areas, nearly all blacks from what I saw. Major difference between the two.

Well you tell me if the kind of hate that I’m reading here is really any different from neo nazi’s calling me a nigger and all manner of vile crap. It isn’t. It’s exactly the same. Both them and you , try to justify it to yourselves, and come into debate against people like me.

@manga: Seriously, if you’re so dead set aginst bigotry, go to a misandrist site, say your bit there. Prepare for a long haul, there are many. I wonder if there are persons from the CJS visiting them.

I would, if I was a woman. You know my views on how the change starts with us.

I’ve already explained my position. Better this than the likes of jackt. If it takes a site like this to get these issues noticed, so be it. I seem to remember the emancipation of the blacks in a few countries involving violence. Which is worse, words or violence?

Can’t hang about too long btqw, UK here too and need some kip. Looking into the mirrior has been done by men, compare us to the way we were in the 70’s. All it’s mademen is easier to manipulate.

BTW. I agree with you on men needing to change our habits too. I already have. I give women their equality, no more putting my hand in my pocket, no more opening doors etc. Definately no more living with a woman, even without the finacial abuse at the hands of women. They’re impossible to live with these days. Not because I think I’m better than them, because that ideal is now reversed. Once a woman realises a man has no control, she assumes she does. Seen it far too many times to think otherwwise.

“Which is worse, words or violence?”

I don’t think you understand how easily the content of this site can incite violence. Domestic battering, assault on the street etc. I mean that’s how it starts. When we start thinking that a group of people are beneath us and our “property”, than that starts the mentality that it’s ok to keep them in line by any means they want.

Can you not understand how this site is validating to such abusers? As well as to guys who are starting down that path?

*Any means we want. – Correction.

Mate, domestic violence is wrong. Never get me to say otherwise but I also realise men can be pushed to it. Especially in todays environment, women being what they are now. It doesn’t excuse the man that does it but the cause should be looked at. Example. Speaking to a woman a little while back I as asked if my ex had hit me. Not accusing her of battering me but she had on a few occasions, with venom too. Had little effect on me physcally and I paid it no mind. The point I’m making, the woman I told then asked me, why had she hit me. Why is it women are never asked that when men strike out?

“BTW. I agree with you on men needing to change our habits too. I already have. I give women their equality, no more putting my hand in my pocket, no more opening doors etc”

I agree. And that’s how it should be. That’s reapect. Opening doors etc is patronising them anyway. You want to find that middle ground where we respect the fact that they are functioning adult human beings and don’t need us to open doors and do things for them and at the same time, keeping a healthy and positive outlook on this. When we start getting negative we get destructive.

Like if you’ve ever been insulted, or spoken down to, you feel the urge to fight back and insult back. Woman feel it too, and I know that’s a fact.

It’s never women’s behaviour that is examined, allways the victim.

Sorry mate, they still expect that behaviour from men. You’re starting to sound like a feminist again.

I stand corrected, it was B and C.

Well can’t win em all!

I’m an equalist. How far equalist crossed over into feminism (I know it does to an extent), so I may well sound like one. Big deal.

The real question is, who gives a damn what women expect? It’s by breaking those expectations that we form new ones in them.

”Opening doors etc is patronising them anyway”

This kind of language has been used by feminists since they screemed ‘burn your bra’s’.

Whats your opinion on mandatory paternity tests Manga?

Perhaps. So? I don’t see how it matters.

Again, equalism and feminism cross over to a degree. So an equalist will sometimes share views with a feminist. It’s an Ad Hominem logical fallacy though to attack the debater and not the points the debater is making.

So?

Whats your opinion on mandatory paternity tests Manga?

“Whats your opinion on mandatory paternity tests Manga?”

I havent done enough research into this specific issue to form a solid opinion, but the mandatory part is anti freedom, Which I am against.

As an equalist.

Feminist, Bye.

Your not going to start sing, “I’d like to teach the world to sing” are you?

Just teasing.

You are wrong kid, but you’re young and you will learn.

Ah! The hubris of ‘passionate youth’ and, no disrespect intended here, a rather mixed up one at that, life can be so harsh.

He’s intelligent, my opinion anyway. I should have asked if he believes in freedom. Then men should have the freedom to choose to have anything to do with a child he hadn’t agreed on. As men have no rights over a child from conception onwards. Another inequality for males.

Debated bloody well too, wish I’d had those skills when I was younger.

Call it what you want. I just try to be as fair as possible in mu views to everybody, both genders, all races, and yeah, even animals.

No watcher, I am not transgender. Nor am I that young. My point all along though is this : So what if I was? So what if I was a woman, man, trans, straight or gay , or a typing monkey? Does it change the words I put down? Nope.

I don’t like people who judge based on what people are. People should jusge on what people do and say.

If you spent more time here you’d see why we watch for posers. Again though, if you don’t like people who judge by what people are, have you spent any time on the feminist sites, misandrist sites?

Sensitive, intelligent, mixed race, but neither truly male nor female?

My guess is you’ve had a pretty rough life Manga.

silence is an answer in itself I guess.

I don’t like Feminazis Harry, I never said I did. What I said was that the content on this site is a real case of six of one thing half a dozen on the other in many ways because of how insulting it is to women. Misandrist sites are very insulting to us. I’ve never argued different. The whole core of what I’m saying is that two wrongs doesn’t make a right, it makes the wrongs even worse.

“Sensitive, intelligent, mixed race”

Yeah, I’m a real catch haha.

“, but neither truly male nor female?”

Welcome to Ad Hominem City. Population : Watcher.

What do you mean “truly” male anyway. A man is a man ffs. It’s ignorant to think that a man with views that differ from yours is suddenly less of a man.

Gone.

Harry he has one of those male/female or even a dominant female type brain. Did you read that book ‘The essential difference’ I suggested? Well Cohen describes it in detail.

He can’t feel the difference between men and women, perhaps he never will.

Not gone, man I got to sleep. I’m going to assume you haven’t visited any of the sites I mentioned. Is that equalism? Kind of a one sided assualt. Trust me I am hearing you and still somewhat agree wth you. Yet I stand by what I say, words are merely words, they don’t hurt nearly as bad as violence and I always speak out against that. I would never claim to be a chauvenist, though I’m sure some peole might disagree with me. I was happy to accept equality and see a mariage as a partnership. But equality doesn’t exist for men (repeating myself) todays laws favour women. If the position were reversed women would see it in an instant.

Last smoke then I’m off. Need some kip.

Manga, fix your personal issues, live a little and then come back.

Good night and good luck.

Half way through. Found it a little feminised to be honest. The writer was very apathetic, admitted it himself.

“Harry he has one of those male/female or even a dominant female type brain.”

Which is another unprovable claim unless you CAT scan me, Dr Neurologist Watcher MD, Psychairtrist.

WHat, you’re not any of those? Making wild claims about people you’ve never even met. Dick does it, you do it to.

There are differences between men and women. I never said otherwise. Where I differ from the rest of you, is thinking that difference translates to value with human beings.

By your logic, even if you take on board this site’s bogoted claims, – men who aren’t as smart as you should be treated with disdain as inferiors. Well isn’t that Narcissistic. Just like Dick.

Manga, read the book. You’ll see what Watcher was refering to.

“Not gone, man I got to sleep. I’m going to assume you haven’t visited any of the sites I mentioned. ”

I may not have visited the sites, but I have argued against Feminazis on youtube many times. You haven’t met Raven Masterson have you. She is the feminist version of Dick, the complete opposite in just about every way. I’m like her archenemy. So I have been balanced.

Last post Harry, out of interest I am a firm believer in Complementarianism. Not so much the religious aspect but the structure and integrity of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complementarianism

Thought you may be interested.

Manga, I’m off. I respect your passion, too many men are content to just sit content in their apathy. Maybe some other time.

You smoke as well? Well I’ll be!!

Here’s to you!

Cheers bud. Night and be lucky both of you.

I’ve debated many Feminazis on youtube. Raven Masterson is the same as Dick, except on the feminazi side. I’ve debated her to death. In fact you could call me her archenemy.

No ones perfect mate. Lol. purely tobac though. Night.

A last toke!

Bloody religion again! GRRR, I will check it out. Don’t expect a conversion.

Blank out the religious parts, just how marriage should fit together.

apathetic= empathetic.

For me, “God has created men and women equal in their essential dignity and human personhood, but different and complementary in function with male headship” seems right.

Balance.

As it always was, even at the begining of my own marriage. Then feminism reared it’s ugly head. Straight men don’t want to be with another man, even if he does have a female body.

Though I’d say it’s more children that hold a man than a wet hole. Women themselves realise this. Example: After finding a new ‘partner’ the first thing on a womans mind is to give him a child to tie him down. I’ve seen it way too many times for it to be disputed.