Imagine this; a woman is running for prime minister or president or whatever.

Men like Dick seem to think that feminists will vote for her because she is a woman. But they will vote for the other candidate because he is a man.

However the real ideal of feminism is that it wont matter what gender the candidates are, it wont affect the public vote. No more than the candidate’s favourite flavour of ice cream.

Somewhere along the way this ideal seems to have been lost. It is how intelligent and how noble a person is that counts. Not what sex they are.

Wake up Dick, being a man doesn’t make you any more of a person than me.

I hate how “fem-nazi’s” represent the female nation because it is not what they are trying to say. In simple terms, females want workplaces to be blindsided of their gender.

There are definately physical and mental tendencies women and men have, but we shouldn’t exclusivly point to gender. For example: Robert, as for the ladies you spoke about. I quote:

“They have a right to go out without you, maybe they don’t like you, maybe they are uncomfortable going out with a manâ€?…. Ok, that is all well and good, but if they do not want me to come, they should not discuss it in front of me. Again, men know this, if they want to make plans that does not include a work mate, they will not discuss it in front of him. Now, tell me, do you think I want to offer these two silly women another ride home (instead of the site bus), do you think that will be first on my list for business lunches (where a lot of good information is exchanged and contacts are made)? And after they miss out on social events because of a lack of social graces, how quick do you think they will be to whine about…”

Ok Robert, to make it clear… Yes, I agree that you have whiny rude co-workers and you should make them take the damn bus. It sounds to me that you’ve answered all your own questions, have a predicament of their personalities, and know that they will not be promoted anytime soon. Honestly, now why are you still dwelling? Who’s whining now? It’s not because their women, it’s because their coniving little asses.

Power is a big responsibilty we all abuse. You can’t just give millions of people power, that haven’t experienced superiority, and expect them all to know what to do with it. Now that females have the option power, collectively we are still learning…as well as men. Men and women throughout the US are still adjusting to gender changes in the workforce, a conversion that not everybody is yet completely exposed to.

On the flip side:
The world will never be equal, so in order to progress and learn, we split our possibilities into probabilities. In this case, women. The processes of love and hate are all simply learning processes.

Robert,

That’s a fantastic point. And one that is proved many times a day right here on this site.

-Dick

I think that I just figured out why women go nowhere fast in management ie the glass ceiling they always whine about. It is because most of them completely lack social skills. Case in point. I occasionally give a ride home to two of the women that work for me (I am a consultant with a staff of 7). A couple of times now, they have been in the vehicle with me, made plans to go for drinks together, and failed to invite me as well. Men do not do this, they know intuitively that you invite everyone present, especially your supervisor, that is just plain old good manners. Now all the women out there are going to start whining “They have a right to go out without you, maybe they don’t like you, maybe they are uncomfortable going out with a man”…. Ok, that is all well and good, but if they do not want me to come, they should not discuss it in front of me. Again, men know this, if they want to make plans that does not include a work mate, they will not discuss it in front of him. Now, tell me, do you think I want to offer these two silly women another ride home (instead of the site bus), do you think that will be first on my list for business lunches (where a lot of good information is exchanged and contacts are made)? And after they miss out on social events because of a lack of social graces, how quick do you think they will be to whine about the “glass ceiling”. Well ladies, there is a glass ceiling, and it’s your gender that installed it…

Positive discrimination is an unfortunate reality in the modern world. It is used so that people who would ordinarily be overlooked get a job that they are qualified for. In a perfect world it wouldn’t exist, but unfortunately prejudices still exist in the work place and positive discrimination tries (mostly unsuccessfully) to readdress the balance. Try feminism is about equality and not advantage.

You guys speek truth, feminists are cool and all, but they shudn’t take it too far and take everythin too seriosly, it’s just a door not a bomb.

Caveman,

What you just wrote is quite correct. And especially, your last sentence is extremely well put. I am all for feminism depending on what it is. I hate it when women try to actually be a man, and yell at a male for opening a door for her, for example.

I have heard a fine word for those types of “Ladies.” “Femi-nazis.” It fits them so perfectly. I can’t stand them.

The extent of some of the feminism around now is clearly quite ridiculous, and the movement has in many cases gone one step too far and in doing so has undermined itself. In the same way that anti-racism laws have gone too far in many cases (especially in the UK, not so much in the US), such that blacks get preferential treatment to avoid accusations of racism. The feminist movement must remain sensible and fair to maintain any credibility.

Why would any of those rich fucks be complaining, male or female? Oh, I forgot, sports pros are a bunch of overpaid pussies. I wish I got paid billions of dollars for playing a game…

I’m sorry, I just can’t bring myself to give a shit about a bunch of bourgeosie tennis jerkoffs, of either gender. “Sex discrimination” bah.

I note that several of your correspondents want facts and figures to prove the points being made. Fair enough. Although I’m a woman, I do think that some women push their case for equality far too much. It’s just been done - yet again! - at Wimbledon. I was so incensed that I made the subject a page on my blog. You want facts and figures? Here are facts and figures:

THOUGHTS ON WIMBLEDON

I really look forward to the arrival of our two weeks of Wimbledon each year. It is something rather special that lifts the usual mundane and dreadful offerings we get on TV.
A few years ago I managed to get a ticket for the Centre Court which is a thrill I shall never forget. I belong to a tennis club and play quite regularly for the women’s team and in the mixed doubles, so I can appreciate the skill I see at Wimbledon.
But there is one thing about the great event that can annoy me greatly. Sometimes it’s hardly mentioned, but some years it’s blown up into a great argument. I’m referring to some of the women players who demand to receive the same amount of prize money as the men. To me this seems an absurd and unjust demand.
In the UK we have an Equal Pay Act which states that men and women should receive equal pay for equal work. Now, at Wimbledon, as at my own club, women tennis players do not work anywhere near as hard as the men. Women play a maximum of three sets, whereas the men play five. If women want the same prize money as men then they should play five sets.
In industry, if a woman worked three shifts and a man worked five, the woman would certainly not expect to get the same pay packet as the man, yet, when it comes to tennis, a woman who plays for an hour and a half, for some inexplicable reason, seems to think she should be paid as much as a man who plays for over four hours.
Now I’m all in favour of equality but, it seems to me that Wimbledon women are trying to work themselves into a position of preferential treatment.
At this time of year, articles about tennis abound in the media, and I recently read one which made out a strong case that Wimbledon discriminates against men. The writer argued that the standard and the power of the men’s game is such that no woman would be able to take more than the odd game or two off the top 100 men. (Doubtless this is why you never hear any of the women demanding to play against the men!)
The writer went on to say that the route to the final of a Wimbledon tournament is much more arduous for a man than for a woman, and he cited the 1991 championships to illustrate his point. The men’s title was won by a German, Michael Stich who had to play 256 games spread over 26 sets.
Steffi Graf won the women’s title by playing only 128 games. In the same tournament, Andre Agassi was defeated in the fourth round after having to play 166 games - 38 more than Graf did to gain the women’s title. The rewards for the work of these players were: Stich £240,000, Graf £216,000 and Agassi £16,800.
This means that, for each game played, Stich received £933.85, Graf £1,687.50 and Agassi £101.20. So what ‘equality’ do we have here? The man plays more tennis and to a much higher standard than the woman, and receives approximately half the pay of the woman.
Also, the men’s final was watched by 8.1 million viewers and the women’s final by 7.0 million viewers, so there is no doubt as to which was the more popular.
So, I suggest that the Wimbledon women keep quiet about their rewards, or the men might start complaining about the sex discrimination being practised against them at the event and say that they want equal treatment with the women.

Nicole, perhaps you have stumbled upon the reason this site is here and so damn funny. We are so sick of psycho femi-nazi’s rants that this IS FUNNY. Beat the drum of equality when it suits and be quiet when it doesn’t. That is the feminist way. How many woman garbage collectors do you know? Honey bucket sanitation techs? Need I continue? What women call equal is a joke. In one breath you want equality. In the next you want a gentleman. But the real clever thing is how you get both. Take my job and still expect me to hold the door for you and buy dinner and movies and all that crap. Equal or special. You can’t have it both ways. Women are not equal in America; they are treated special, because they NEED the extra help. There is no equality. It’s just an illusion. Ignorance is bliss and you risk your happiness by playing here. There IS a warning at the door. NO WOMEN ALLOWED !! We can’t continue to protect you if you wont listen.

Part of the reason so many men dont have jobs is because of the number of jobs compared to number of people

I did a database design and building job in a company, I was hired by a bimbo who deleted my work on a daily basis, once she even took out a whole backup copy and blamed me. How can the few people in this room that I have read comments on say: Men canot do their jobs properly?

Even if we canot, we dont mess up so bad that we dont even know what is going on and try and control people under our belts only to make things worse for ourselves.

I will never work under a woman again, I dont understand them, they dont know what they are doing in the job because those tits they have help them get up the ladder not just the qualification that they proberbly sucked there way into passing.

Well there are basically equal rights in MEDC’s (countries like England and America). But in many countries women are still treated like second class citizens, these are the women who would benefit from equal rights.

We have to be sure feminism does not go too far. The whole point is to have equality, not go the other way so that women are seen to be superior to men in some aspects, which to me, some extreme feminists are trying to accomplish.

People who shout about equal rights without considering the consequences and complex nature of inequality between the sexes, should not assume that equal rights will solve all the problems. I think that there are more than a few women that would not object to strongly to men asking mindless questions. So please, stop discussing equal rights unless you are willing to have a very intense ideological discussion and framework from which to pull your theories from.

i will get a slap for this tommorow-a damn hard one from someone i know - but this is one of those things that piss me off.

u want equal rights? fine have them but equal means both are the same, u cant hit us ne more, we get one free week of bitching, we get to ask u mindless questions that there is no right answer to etc. equal rights means losing a lot benefits for one side or the other.

im gonna leave it before i get beaten to death by rainbow stilletos.

That’s a really good point Andy! I’ve never seen one link to a study or source of information on this site. It’s all hearsay from men who need to feel superior to feel masculine. It’s all rather pathetic.

I’m not shocked by the language used or the blatant hatred that occurs on this website towards women, as I am the suprising lack of factual data to support the claims made in the opening remarks. Where is the proof that women do not do nearly as good a job as men do at “anything”? Point me to the study that shows this. Point me to their sources, and their angles. I would also like to know how many of you have even bothered to look at current literature on the matter of women’s employment, much less the data available from government institutions. There are a wide variety of reasons women must take work that pays less than men. Some of these reasons are socially institutionalized, some of them are because of situations women have been put in such as divorce and dealing with dead beat dad’s. Ultimately, your langauge choice and use is impressively inflamitory, with very little evidence but your own experiences and prejudices to back you up. Frankly, I expect more from a website that is attempting to convincingly argue that men are better than women.

wlday- Was English your first language, you cute little thing? Or did you just miss, say, all of elementary school? You know, the part where they taught spelling, grammar, and punctuation?

I am astounded, you men waste your time on this load of bullshit, well, you things are obviously so acomplished, so why don’t you do my job for a day… i am a top brain surgeon, better than all of the men in my ward, much better, maybe if i one day find any of you creatures under my care, you might just not make it. I get paid more than probably all of you hahaha men are weak losers pretending to look srong
You’re pathetic.

I don’t have penis-envy, I have my own cock made of plastic. Now owuldn’t you boys be all upset if all the ladies were like me?

These comments reek of desperation to grasp onto a long forgotten idea of male-dominance. This is why this website delights me, you are all so pathetic and scared. Women arn’t all backstabbing and cruel, but when men treat us like walking wombs and cleaners then you’re not expecting Stepford are you?